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House to vote on 90 percent tax for AIG bonuses
AP ^ | 03192009 | STEPHEN OHLEMACHER

Posted on 03/19/2009 6:57:28 AM PDT by EBH

Edited on 03/19/2009 7:34:42 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aig; aigbonuses; billofattainder; congressionaltyranny; fascism; taxes; taxincrease; taxincreases; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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To: nw_arizona_granny; DAVEY CROCKETT; Velveeta; milford421; Cindy; backhoe; Mr. Noodle; cgk; Quix; ...

Our Constitution Died today...

UPDATE for the folks I pinged a moment ago on the other thread. I was wrong - oh, so wrong... This wasn’t shelved for long! It just passed the house - apparently they wanted to rip out the 13th Amendment before ripping out part of the Constitutional Articles...

May God bless and protect us all.

This is probably my last ping to you folks today. I just had to “get the word out” somehow. :)


261 posted on 03/19/2009 1:24:09 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

I’m going to buy me a nice 9mm and a good rifle. Apparently our Constitution died today and I get the feeling the jackbooted acolytes of the Messiah are coming for us.

If anything, it is pitchfork time.


262 posted on 03/19/2009 1:37:24 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The most corrupt administration in history. And it is only 8 weeks old.)
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To: All
Unfortunately, my representative (Shimkus, R-IL) voted for this garbage. I sent the following email:

Dear Representative Shimkus, I am writing to express my disappointment with your Yes vote on HR 1586. While I typically appreciate your fairly conservative voting record, I feel that this bill, while appealing to populist sentiment, is clearly an unconstitional bill of attainder. While I'm opposed to the entire government bailout concept, I'm troubled by this blatant targeting of specific classes of people, especially if there were previous employment contracts that governed these bonuses. I'm much more fearful of an out of control Federal government, which the current Administration unfortunately seems to champion, than I am of any alledged private sector abuses. Thank you for your time and attention to this correspondence

263 posted on 03/19/2009 1:41:08 PM PDT by Marathoner (The dream: 1-20-2013, hearing "I, Sarah Heath Palin, do solemnly swear...")
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To: Marathoner

IMHO, that was WAY too polite... :)


264 posted on 03/19/2009 1:46:26 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Mercat
Isn’t there something in the Constitution about ex post facto laws and bills of attainer?

The Congress is prohibited passing Bills of Attainder and Ex Post Facto Laws by Article I, Section 9, Clause 3 of the Constitution (the same prohibition applies to the States via Article I, Section 10, Clause 1).

The Democrats are getting creative in their Constitutional violations. Maybe they can violate the Port Preference Clause, the Export Clause or the Third Amendment next.

265 posted on 03/19/2009 1:48:00 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: EBH

Just noting their next angle of attack that they’ll use in case the class envy thing doesn’t pan out for them. These same DUmocrats don’t have a problem when DUmocrats in congress, DUH-bama or his cabinet failed to pay their taxes.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2210121/posts


266 posted on 03/19/2009 2:00:59 PM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You may be right. Never a bad idea to have weapons for personal protection anyway. Better safe than sorry — even if somehow we avoid what I think is coming.


267 posted on 03/19/2009 2:02:22 PM PDT by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Hopefully this situation will bring some long-term common sense to executive compensation packages, i.e. pay for performance.

Yeah! Your exactly right! /s The unions, with a 20% productivity oughta have their pay taxed for overpayment! Is your salary taxed at 100% yet?

268 posted on 03/19/2009 3:14:55 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012!)
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To: LibertyRocks
Our Constitution Died today...

No. It died on 11/4/08 when Zero was elected. It's just been downhill since and not getting any better.

269 posted on 03/19/2009 4:18:37 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012!)
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To: EBH
Technically, this is legal.

It is a tax, not a fine, and as such not a bill of attainder.

270 posted on 03/19/2009 5:25:28 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: EBH

Can you say “Bill of Attainder”?


271 posted on 03/19/2009 5:29:20 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: redgolum
Check out this article about slavery reparations being a bill of attainder before you settle this question.

http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_06_4_manweller.pdf

272 posted on 03/19/2009 5:31:52 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: redgolum
Never called it a Bill of Attainder.

Said it was a tax being used as punishment...

These folks who collected this bonus did so legally. We may not like it, but it was all legal.

The tax is being levied against them at some outrageous 90%, because people got mad about the bonus. I heard words like extortion (Frank) and justice (Pelosi).

Who is congress to make accusations of extortion and mete out justice? Who is congress to circumvent appropriate court action to reclaim the funds? If they had been indeed ill-gotten gains?

273 posted on 03/19/2009 5:41:52 PM PDT by EBH (The world is a balance between good & evil, your next choice will tip the scale.)
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To: EBH
It is being used as a populist pap punishment. But if AIG is this tone deaf to PR it is hard to defend them. And to be honest, if a GOP congressman voted against this it will not play well back home.

As so many on FR have often told me, that is politics. AIG is the pariah today, and that is part of the game. They got their money, and have paid off the DNC already, so this is just part of the dog and pony show to appease the masses.

Kind of like show trials.

274 posted on 03/19/2009 5:52:23 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: EBH; rabscuttle

What a way to try to avoid looking bad and getting their money back.

Instead of reneging on the deal, just tax it back. Same difference.


275 posted on 03/19/2009 5:55:33 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Califreak

276 posted on 03/19/2009 8:33:16 PM PDT by mentor2k
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To: EBH
No matter what you may think of the AIG bounuses. This is government using TAXES as punishment!

You're right.

277 posted on 03/19/2009 8:34:47 PM PDT by GOPJ (CEO:Chief Embezzlement Officer- CFO:Corporate Fraud Officer-CASH FLOW: money down the toilet.)
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To: All

AIG today.........the rest of us tomorrow, through “get evenism” taxation


278 posted on 03/19/2009 8:34:56 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: LibertyRocks
Thanks for the link - you have a GREAT personal page.

This is 0bama's version of the CCC and WPA and those other "New Deal" programs.

0bama's looking for his place in the history books, a 21st Century FDR.

His ego knows no bounds.

All this in less than 100 days.

At this point, I stop typing, else I go too far and Men in Suits visit me.

279 posted on 03/20/2009 1:55:03 AM PDT by happygrl (BORG: Barack 0bama Resistance Group: we will not be assimilated)
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To: EBH
"Many Americans mistakenly believe that retroactive legislation is barred by the ex post facto clauses, which apply to both Congress and state legislatures. Since at least the early part of the 1800s, though, the ex post facto clauses have been interpreted as applying to criminal laws only.

Almost as disturbing is that the Supreme Court has been expanding its definition of what is "civil" and narrowing its definition of what is "criminal." This further reduces the scope and effect of the ex post facto clauses.

The Bill of Attainder Clauses, which also constrain state and federal governments, provide only limited protection against retroactive civil legislation. Although the Supreme Court has construed these clauses as protecting rights, the clauses bar only those laws that legislatively determine guilt and inflict punishment on identifiable individuals without the protections of a judicial trial. The Supreme Court has not struck down a law as an unconstitutional bill of attainder since the mid-1960s."

Retroactive Tax Increases and the Constitution

280 posted on 03/20/2009 2:25:38 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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