Obama Requires YOU to SERVE, H.R.1388, "The Give Act" to reform the National Service Laws

The Library of Congress THOMAS ^ | March 14, 2009 | joygrace

[joygrace]

HR 1388, will hit the House floor on Tuesday.It is called the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act (The Give Act.) The House is scheduled to Rule this week. Sponsored by Democrat Representative Carolyn McCarthy (NY), Education and Labor Committee. The objective is to reauthorize and reform the national service laws.

Democrat Rep. McCarthy is sponsoring the bill with 25 co-sponsors, ALL Democrats, including Charlie Rangel. Need I say more.

[zlala]

SEC. 3. SENSE OF CONGRESS.
`It is the sense of Congress that the number of participants in the programs authorized under subtitle C, including the Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) and the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC), should grow to reach 250,000 participants by 2014.'.

How long has it been since congress has had any sense? This does include his civilian corps. His goal is to have it implemented in a BIG way in 5 years. Again..thanks for posting this!

[mad_as_he$$]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUx_ynBiFjs

[oldbrowser]

I serve in the military...I don’t want peole fighting with me who don’t want to be there. I’d rather have 5 true volunteers than 100 non-volunteers.

There is no doubt that the socialists in charge would use volunteers to destroy our democracy.

But from the other direction, isn't the same thing happening by our culture turning into a "me first", "honor is for suckers" attitude. You constantly read about people lying and cheating to get benefits or avoid taxes.

The number of givers is decreasing while the number of takers is increasing. An honest days pay for an honest days work is a joke, everybody is trying to screw everybody else out of something.

Not everyone has the heart to serve in the military, but I believe that sometime in their life they should give back for the privilege of living in the greatest country in the world.

[zlala]

Ping

[TYVets]

My guess is that they intend to make the middle class retirees work for their social security benefits. If you don’t work, you don’t get your social security.

Nor do you get any medical treatment under Socialized Medicine.

[Eva]

Yes, that might be correct, except if you need medical care, you might not be able to serve Obama.

[TYVets]

Not everyone has the heart to serve in the military, but I believe that sometime in their life they should give back for the privilege of living in the greatest country in the world.

We do, it is called TAXES!

[TYVets]

Then they would pay for your federal funded extermination.

[Eva]

It’s called moral relativity, a humanist approach to life.

[Eva]

No, no, no, that would be termed, “assisted suicide.”

[FarRightFanatic]

Bookmarking

[444Flyer]

“Obama’s “Universal” Service Plan
Training a Socialist Army of World Servers”

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/08/1-service.htm

[hiredhand]

I've been pretty quiet on CW-II related threads. On the odd occasion I do "reluctantly" ping Travis McGee on something which is blatantly CW-II noteworthy, but other than this, my opinions on the subject largely remain my own...only really known by a few close to me and my family.

It is a FACT that there are homes and associations of homes (multi-household) bristling with EBRs, ammo, and chock full of people, who while they might not all agree on every detail and facet of life, they have vowed to defend their homes and the homes of those in their circle with necessary force. So far, these people have been quiet and peaceful. Often times, those living around them don't even suspect. One of the things that I see however is that there's not going to be the opportunity to escalate using necessary force. The issue I'm TRYING to get at here is that which will occur when the authorities attempt to ENFORCE things such as the subject of this thread.

So far, certain of our illustrious Alphabet Agencies have shown up at O-Dark-Thirty (sometimes at the WRONG house), roughed and cuffed everybody...confiscated weapons. Where they can't produce charges, they've been known to create them well in advance (reference the Randy Weaver case especially with respect to entrapment). Eventually, the enforcers are going to kick the door down on one of those houses which is quiet and peaceful. They're simply not known to contain the sorts of of people, or the capabilities that are known to be within them. ...and when this happens, it will make national news, if not global news.

So my question is, "WHO will be the example?" It's a metaphorical question. But who will it be? Will people take things a little more seriously once this starts happening? Or will they simply continue to absorb the evening news and believe that the "targeted house" which resulted in the bloodbath in that quiet neighborhood was truly a domestic terrorist cell as reported? Or will they pull together and act in a manner which will actually provide some measure of tangible security and benefit? I'm not certain at this point. The ratio of people who would TRULY defend their homes and the U.S. Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic seems to be way off kilter at this point. Many here would argue with me. But I challenge those to do a mental count of others around them and then come to terms with how few they can count who are like them.

I have a neighbor who is hung up on the classic theme of "THEY'RE COMING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS!" I really grow weary of this theme for various reasons, none of which I'm willing to discuss here. He announced to me with much bravado and exclamation that he would take at least three of the JBTs down with him if they came to his house at 0200 unannounced! I told him that I was sure that he would! I told him that I had NO doubt that he would take at least a couple before they riddled him with suppressed UMP-45s (or something similar) as the house was filling with tear gas and he couldn't breathe or see.

What I told him after this illustrates a common problem here in America...especially in the burbs. Not ALL suburbs are like this! But most are full of people who simply don't know their neighbors. They might know one to three houses around them. But they really don't know their neighbors. I contrast this with rural America and it's quite a contrast. Everybody knows EVERYBODY out in the country...for better, or for worse!

After my neighbor finished his rant and stood there in front of me still breathing hard, with his chest puffed out. I told him that I had no doubt he would act in the manner described by him. He's a former U.S. Army "ground pounder" and a Vietnam vet, and based on his past experience, I think he's telling me the truth about himself. But this is NOT the issue. It's not a question as to whether or not he's going to defend HIS own house! That was never in question! I told him that the question is whether or not he's willing to fire on intruders of that house over there (as I pointed to the house catty cornered, just across the road) from their rear as they converged in the wee dark hours of the night! He stopped and I could tell that his brain was having some sort of malfunction, or "disconnect". He stammered that he didn't even know the guy!

What I've described above shows a default behavior that needs correction in response to current socio/political circumstances here in America. People assume that because three black SUVs full of Kevlar Ninjas show up at night, that somebody MUST have done something wrong. But the DEFAULT should be that neighbors swarm like a hive full of Yellow Jackets and counter the intruders (sanctioned or NOT) with a greater force.

Unless this default behavior is corrected, people will be unprepared when enforcers show up. Plus, as soon as these enforcers show up at certain peaceful and quiet houses or neighborhoods, it's going to be bloody at a minimum.

I've had to tell certain people lately that certain other people REALLY do exist! I think there's a division the likes of which we've never seen before here in America. The sheep are not just sheep anymore. They're sheep in a deep, deep state of denial. Those who want to live free have a correct perspective as individuals, but as a group they're largely unorganized and ineffective right now. People here will take offense to that last sentence, but remember that our ratios here are different. Once again, I challenge those who are offended to mentally do the head count and come to terms with the facts.

People are likely to be forced to make choices soon. By my best estimate, they'll be forced to choose once enforcers show up, and that's really a bad time to have to choose.

What I've written above is of course my own opinion, worthless to everybody except myself, but rooted in previous experience as an Info-Warfare technician, student of evolving conflict, and demise of nations.

[Mr. Mojo]

Brilliant way to lose control of congress. Go ahead, Donkeys, make our day.

[HollyB]

Have you learned anymore about the Amtrak Waste Disposal section on this bill? There is no information posted under this topic. If you come across any info, can you pass it along? I’m searching too? I don’t understand the relationship between service and Amtrak waste.

Thanks Joygrace

[TYVets]

lol

And if Obama withholds your food ration card because you can not serve, what would that be called?

[Las Vegas Ron]

Really? Waco, Ruby ridge, Pine Ridge Indian Reservation ring a bell?

I don't recall the details of Pine Ridge but Waco and Ruby Ridge will suffice for the purposes of my response.

The two incidences were indeed an example of an out of control and illegal use of power by the government. As I posted earlier, I think the ones we as Americans need to fear is Swat, ATF and possibly city police (and maybe a few others too). The abuse at Ruby Ridge and Waco were from ATF and the FBI, IIRC. With the exception of Waco which later brought in tanks from the military courtesy of Wesley Clark. (Clark was later rewarded with a star and head of Nato  appointment by Clinton)

However, these two incidences were isolated and on a very small scale when you consider what would happen if all out pandemonium broke out. I believe some in The US military could be persuaded initially to keep order but here is the thing, the men and women in the military are just like you and me. That is when they see the results of or are asked to abuse  their power against the citizenry and set out about their new duties, it's going to occur to them that the same abuse is also happening to their Mom, Dad, Brother , Sister, Wife, Daughter, well you get the point.

Do you think that they will be willing to do that to their bother in arms family let alone the citizens of their country? They are after all going to be subject to the abuses just like you and me. Now in my opinion this will cause revolt against the government, zer0 in particular, they will realize who the real enemy is, and it won't be the American People. Most in the military already know who the enemy is, you will just never hear it expressed by them.

For the worse case scenario that is being discussed on this thread to happen, another generation or two is going to have to be brainwashed into an obedient, no question of authority mode. This is why vigilance and pre emption are so important along  Free Republic and like minded sites. As long as we act accordingly, I don't believe it can happen, at least in my life time, but that is in now way meant to say that we should let our guard down because the threat is ever present and evil. The only way it can succeed is if we let it.

God Bless our country and give us the courage to face the enemy head on, with whatever it takes to preserve this great nation and may only the righteous be left standing!

And last but not least FUBO

[joygrace]

Someone needs to go through this whole thread and make it email-able. There’s a lot of good info on here, but if there’s TOO MUCH STUFF in an email, a lot of folk delete it.

Sounds like a great idea but I am not techinically proficient to accomplish it. Is it hard to do? I don't mind putting in the time, I am just not sure how to proceed. Willing but lacking technical ability.

[444Flyer]

11-05-08

“OBAMA WANTS FORCED LABOR FOR SCHOOL CHILDREN”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2127959/posts

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11-09-08

“OBAMA REQUIRES COMMUNITY SERVICE AND REMOVES HIS AGENDA FROM WEBSITE AFTER SCRUTINY”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2128883/posts

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11-11-08

“RAHM EMANUEL, Obama’s Chief of Staff, ON MANDATORY CIVIL SERVICE PLAN”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2130387/posts

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11-12-08

“RAHM EMANUEL Expects ‘A Lot’ from Civil Defense Corps [Ben Smith podcast]”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2130604/posts

[Eva]

Triage.