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Expelling Design from Biology
ARN ^ | February 24, 2009 | David Tyler

Posted on 03/07/2009 11:52:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

Expelling Design from Biology

Professor Walter Bock introduces his short essay by referring to the letter Darwin wrote to Asa Gray in 1860:

"I am conscious that I am in an utterly hopeless muddle. I cannot think that the world, as we see it, is the result of chance; and yet I cannot look at each separate thing as the result of design".

Ernst Mayr took up the challenge and he also found a tension between his understanding of evolutionary theory and the need to use terms like "design" and "purposefulness". Mayr concluded:

"Given all this, the conclusion is inevitable: we find in all organisms a fitting together of inborn actions or structures so perfect that one can hardly avoid such terms as 'design' or 'purposefulness'."

Bock's discussion seeks to move the thinking of biologists beyond Darwin and Mayr. He points out that "design" is a loaded word. He cannot find a synonym for "design" that does not also incorporate the concept of a designer. Since this implication is not acceptable to Darwinians, Bock wants to remove all references to design from biology:

"the term design carries with it too many undesirable connotations, such as the existence of a creator, and should not be used in evolutionary theory"...

(Excerpt) Read more at arn.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: biology; creation; darwin; evolution; godmakesfish; intelligentdesign; science; scienceeducation
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1 posted on 03/07/2009 11:52:52 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/07/2009 11:53:58 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 03/07/2009 11:56:05 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
the term design carries with it too many undesirable connotations, such as the existence of a creator, and should not be used in evolutionary theory"..

A creator is not part of evolutionary theory...and evolutionary theory is rejected by most of those who believe in a Creator. Duh!

4 posted on 03/07/2009 11:57:15 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Herein lies the dilemma for the evolutionist. He cannot find a neutral word for “design” that conveys order with suitability, without accidentally acknowledging the enormous mental power he suspects is needed to bring this all about. Poor blind man.


5 posted on 03/07/2009 11:58:53 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: LiteKeeper

They are in quite a conundrum. They can’t help but use the language of design when studying biological organisms, but design implies a designer, which the desperately seek to avoid. You almost feel sorry for them, that is until you realize that their whole enterprise is designed to banish God from His own creation.


6 posted on 03/07/2009 12:01:25 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Dutchboy88

==Poor blind man.

Ouch!...and yet, SO TRUE.


7 posted on 03/07/2009 12:02:21 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Dutchboy88

Excellent post.


8 posted on 03/07/2009 12:02:54 PM PST by Semper Mark (Communism is Socialism with a gun to your head.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting strategy - elevate someone from 150 years ago and equate him with all modern biology so you can impeach modern biology.

This tact, used in this source, appears to be a touch less than scrupulous.


9 posted on 03/07/2009 12:05:54 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If you see a skyscraper, you see design and think of an architect. If you see an automobile, you see design and think of an engineer (and bailouts nowadays!). Why is it so different to look at living organisms made up of billions of cells, each tiny one extremely complex in and of itself, meticulously working with all the others to allow for life, and see design and a Designer?

Statistically, it is millions of times more probable to take the parts of a car, drop them into a huge bucket and come out with an aesthetically pleasing, working automobile than it is for a single living organism to have “just happened” through random chance.


10 posted on 03/07/2009 12:08:56 PM PST by wastedpotential (McCain always said I was an agent of intolerance, but we were the ones who tolerated him most)
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To: GodGunsGuts

If you see a skyscraper, you see design and think of an architect. If you see an automobile, you see design and think of an engineer (and bailouts nowadays!). Why is it so different to look at living organisms made up of billions of cells, each tiny one extremely complex in and of itself, meticulously working with all the others to allow for life, and see design and a Designer?

Statistically, it is millions of times more probable to take the parts of a car, drop them into a huge bucket and come out with an aesthetically pleasing, working automobile than it is for a single living organism to have “just happened” through random chance.


11 posted on 03/07/2009 12:08:56 PM PST by wastedpotential (McCain always said I was an agent of intolerance, but we were the ones who tolerated him most)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You need to be created before you can evolve.


12 posted on 03/07/2009 12:15:42 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot child is in charge!)
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To: Dutchboy88; GodGunsGuts
“Because that which may be known of God
is manifest in them; for God hath shewed
it unto them.”

This simple truth reveals that no one can give
a legitimate reason for not believing in God
because the world (creation) reveals Him.

13 posted on 03/07/2009 12:22:40 PM PST by Semper Mark (Communism is Socialism with a gun to your head.)
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To: wastedpotential
If you see a skyscraper, you see design and think of an architect. If you see an automobile, you see design and think of an engineer (and bailouts nowadays!). Why is it so different to look at living organisms made up of billions of cells, each tiny one extremely complex in and of itself, meticulously working with all the others to allow for life, and see design and a Designer?

2 of the 3 items are not do not reproduce. Teensy difference.
14 posted on 03/07/2009 12:29:57 PM PST by whattajoke (.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The resolution to Darwin’s quandry is simple: take the view of Maimonides regarding the opening of Genesis: the only verse that actually says anything about creation is “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”

The biosphere is an environment designed to produce tremendous variety of life more-or-less automatically. The staunchest defenders of the neo-Darwinian synthesis almost admit as much when they point to genetic algorithms as experimental confirmation that a Darwinian mechanism can lead to novel complexity: the algorithms aren’t designed, the environment in which the evolve (the computer, the mathematical instantiations of ‘fitness’, the mechanism by which they change (albeit with stochatic elements purpose-built into it) are all designed).


15 posted on 03/07/2009 12:43:50 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"the term design carries with it too many undesirable connotations, such as the existence of a creator, and should not be used in evolutionary theory"

Cover your eyes and tell G_d he doesn't exist. He could use a good laugh.

16 posted on 03/07/2009 12:45:59 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Glittering prizes, and endless compomises, shatter the illusion of integrity. Yeah!)
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To: wastedpotential

Don’t bother. Die-hard darwinists will only counter the probability argument by extending the time window into the millions/billions/trillions/uber-illions of years in some deluded “logic” that if they have enough time, the impossible becomes not quite so.


17 posted on 03/07/2009 12:50:54 PM PST by DesertSapper (God, Family, Country . . . . . . . . . . and dead terrorists!!!)
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To: Markos33

True. The overall majesty of creation may generate enough guilt to condemn each man for not acknowledging a Creator(according to Romans 1:20), but there should still be in me the great and awesome fear that we are able to notice this Creator is the God of Israel and our Kinsman Redeemer only because He chooses to reveal Himself (Romans 9:16). We stand, because He is able to make us stand.


18 posted on 03/07/2009 12:58:46 PM PST by Dutchboy88
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To: GodGunsGuts
Cognition is, in essence, a Darwinian process. The brain models outcomes, each variant competing for limited computational space. Eventually one bubbles up into conscience mind and we become aware that a preference has been registered.

Examine our tendency to speak of evolutionary processes -- or even complex, chaotic ones -- informally with words connoting intelligent thought.

I guess what I am saying is that evolution, itself, may be the intelligent designer we have been looking for. The problem may be that we try to see a detached, volitional intelligence with preconceived goals when we hear the words. Perhaps the volition is there; perhaps not. But if the process of conceiving goals is itself Darwinian, why does it need to be volitional? Or detached?

19 posted on 03/07/2009 1:36:36 PM PST by FlameThrower
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To: rawcatslyentist
Cover your eyes and tell G_d he doesn't exist. He could use a good laugh.

Do you believe that God was the creator and that at 4000 BC he set everything in motion?

20 posted on 03/07/2009 2:04:50 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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