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Rachel Maddow, reluctant sex symbol
Salon ^ | Tuesday, Feb. 24, 2009 | Judy Berman

Posted on 03/01/2009 3:46:20 PM PST by presidio9

Why do we -- men and women, gay and straight -- find Rachel Maddow sexy? Daphne Merkin's "Butch Fatale" about the newly minted MSNBC icon, hidden among the overpriced handbag porn and fluffy profiles of last weekend's New York Times T style magazine, is more complicated than it appears.

As Merkin writes, it isn't often that mainstream culture celebrates the attractiveness of butch lesbians. Sure, we admire femmes like Portia de Rossi and Lindsay Lohan. But for the most part, lesbians who wear suits, cut their hair short or otherwise don't conform to traditional standards of beauty -- the Ellen DeGenereses and Rosie O'Donnells of the world -- have to remain culturally neutered in order to participate in public life. Though we find classic representations of gay male beauty in the films of Luchino Visconti and the writings of Oscar Wilde and Thomas Mann, says Merkin, "It's much harder to envision a lesbian icon without coming up against Fran Lebowitz, looking surly and bored."

The problem with lesbian archetypes, according to Merkin, is that "both categories -- butch and femme -- borrow from gender-influenced dichotomies of beauty." And this is where Rachel Maddow, supposedly, is a revelation. "She may not be one of Hefner's Girls Next Door, exactly, but she is no bare-faced, unstylish dyke either, however she chooses to characterize herself," says Merkin, going on to coo over the way Maddow combines a light dusting of makeup with "Poindexter glasses, Jil Sander pantsuits and Converse sneakers" and concludes that "she's willing to prettify her image sufficiently to endear her to male viewers."

Here's where I disagree with Merkin: I don't think Maddow's TV appearance is particularly calculated to attract male viewers. The makeover doesn't seem like a ploy to sex up Maddow; rather, it's a concession to appearing on television, where everyone has to wear makeup and dress like a professional. According to a New York magazine profile, Maddow's partner, Susan Mikula, is responsible for her wearing makeup: "Without it, 'she looked like a dead person,'" Mikula said. And as for the designer suits, it's not as if MSNBC was going to let Maddow -- or Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews, for that matter -- go on the air in a ratty button-down and carpenter jeans. Meanwhile, Maddow makes no effort to hide her casual, butch off-screen appearance, either. In this pre-New Year's video, also for New York magazine, a bare-faced, hoodie-clad Maddow gives a lesson in mixology.

It's true that while the butch-femme dichotomy has already broken down among many younger lesbians -- I'm hard-pressed to categorize any of my mid-20s lesbian friends as either -- Maddow is still a butch in my book (and her own). And besides, I think Merkin misses something major about what makes Maddow sexy: the nerdiness! From the "Poindexter glasses" to the Oxford Ph.D. to her perfectly crafted sarcasm, Maddow is as geek-chic as she is lesbian-chic.

Unlike Merkin, I believe Maddow when she says "she has no interest in the issue of physical appearance -- her own or anyone else's." And as much as I would love her to herald a new age of lesbian beauty, it seems to me that viewers respond more to Maddow's non-physical qualities -- intelligence, charm and, above all, authenticity -- than to her looks. But I'm interested to hear Broadsheet readers' take, too. What do you think makes Rachel Maddow sexy?


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: androgeny; culturewar; downourthroats; homosexualagenda; inourfaces; itspat; liberalnonsense; liberalturnons; megabarfalert; merkin; msnbc; pravdamedia; rachelmaddow; thatsamanbaby
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To: gthog61; SortaBichy
If more women looked like that it would save the planet! (because nobody would be #$#@^&ing

Fershure, Viagra wouldn't have to put up that "Four hour erection" disclaimer. Personally, my weenie looks like Saddam's neck after scrolling this thread....limp and totally bloodless.

161 posted on 03/01/2009 7:31:26 PM PST by ErnBatavia (Here's hoping the Kennedy family trust is in deep....with Madoff)
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To: presidio9
She looks like Kirk Cameron from Growing Pains

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162 posted on 03/01/2009 7:57:37 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: nufsed
Why do we -- men and women, gay and straight -- find Rachel Maddow sexy?

Why do liberal journalists alwasy start articles with ficticious assumptions?

163 posted on 03/01/2009 8:09:07 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: OrangeHoof

4? That is massive grade inflation.
Negative ten.


164 posted on 03/01/2009 8:30:01 PM PST by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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To: presidio9

Thirty years in prison, my eyes gouged out, my hearing gone, 200 doses of viagra and a case of Glenfarclas, I’ll be still saying NO!


165 posted on 03/01/2009 8:34:52 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
Do butch lesbians take it as an insult when someone mistakes them for a man? I suspect they wouldn't, because isn't that the look they're going for anyway? I'm serious with this question.

In my experience living in the San Francisco Bay Area, yes, they do. If they are not perceived as females they lose their "female victimhood" status and are left with only their "gay victimhood" status. And every lib wants to be a victim. I think many lesbians feel superior to gay males because the dykes are double victims of the evil white male supremacy myth. You throw race, religion or whatever is in the forefront of the victimhood game these days into the mix and the whole game changes again. A black Jewish lesbian would severely trump a white agnostic gay male for example. JMHO.
166 posted on 03/01/2009 8:35:28 PM PST by ChowChowFace
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To: libh8er
My personal favorite DU comment thus far:

"Freepers discuss Maddow"--how bizarre, like saying "hyenas discuss Voltaire." nt

I can't help but wonder when Maddow's program became confused with something highbrow. I'll be the first to admit that Bill O'Reilly is a self-absorbed jackass, and that I had gym coaches who were obviously smarter than Sean O'Reilly. That being said, I have actually lingered on Maddow's program on a few occasions. Sure, she likes to sound pedantic with the occasional SAT word, but I certainly haven't heard her make a point that hasn't already been made by someone like Ram Emmanuel. And she seems to have a lot of trouble keeping her facts straight. And somebody needs to tell her that George Bush and Dick Cheney are retired. Constantly bringing their names up to a liberal audience is equivalent to pornography. I hereby challenge any DU lurker on this thread to sign up for an account here and prove me wrong that she Rachel Maddow can not go thirty minutes in tomorrow night's telecast without mentioning Bush's name.

Even though I am a conservative, there are a lot of liberal commentators that I enjoy hearing from, including Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, and even Carville. To that same DU lurker, I challenge you to name even one conservative that you will occasionally listen to. Bear in mind that Pat Buchannan in neither Republican nor Conservative, and that eunuchs like David Gergin don't count.

167 posted on 03/01/2009 8:40:02 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: lewisglad

Couldn’t say fer sure, just something I heard, it’s all pank in the middle.


168 posted on 03/01/2009 8:46:57 PM PST by printhead
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To: libh8er; Lurker

Oh, and I’ve been reading and posting to FR for over ten years. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen some here post a thread about “look at what they’re saying now on DU.” Meanwhile, those sorts of threads are a daily (or even several times daily) occurance on that other site.

So, liberal lurkers, just what do you think that says about you? Can your lives possibly be that lame?


169 posted on 03/01/2009 8:53:11 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

Butt ugly, and a dike to boot. WOW! The total liberal package.


170 posted on 03/01/2009 10:23:47 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: presidio9

Ewww. That’s her?
I have no plans to watch the food channel anytime soon.


171 posted on 03/01/2009 10:26:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I think it used to be a boy and is now a girl, or at least is in the transition phase.


172 posted on 03/01/2009 10:28:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Land of the Freep

Conservatives have Laura Ingrahm, Liberals have Racheal Maddow.

Conservatives have Condi Rice, Liberals have Michelle Obama

Conservatives have Sarah Palin, Liberals have Hillary Clinton.

Moral of the story:

We have the hotter chicks and they don’t have any mood disorders.


173 posted on 03/02/2009 5:00:43 AM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: TypeZoNegative

sexy? no, horrifying. she is a controlling bulldozer, like nancy pelosi! her way or the highway!! the tolerance she demands from conservatives, she has NONE of. she is the most intolerant, her way only, control freak i have ever seen. how can she stay on tv?

my house begins to shake and crumble when her bombastic against-Christ intolerant opinions are blasted into/allowed into the room. in terror of spiritual death to everything in sight, i turn the station as fast as i can. i believe in evil spirits, and my Christian home can’t take a second of her un-Godly blasting into it.

no wonder our country is crumbling morally and spiritually with someone like her allowed to blast into our airwaves. could we start a “get rid of racheal maddow/save america” group?


174 posted on 03/02/2009 6:23:36 AM PST by bunnies (could we start a "GET RID OF RACHAEL MADDOW, SAVE AMERICA" group?)
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To: TypeZoNegative

Condi Rice is no conservative.


175 posted on 03/02/2009 6:29:04 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: presidio9

This guy’s name is Rachael.

Right.


176 posted on 03/02/2009 6:57:46 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: presidio9
I have only one thing to say!!

Yeeeeech!!


177 posted on 03/02/2009 8:17:48 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: presidio9

Does anyone else think Maddow looks a little bit like Rich Lowry of NRO?


178 posted on 03/02/2009 8:47:32 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: presidio9
I don't get it.


179 posted on 03/02/2009 10:21:24 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: presidio9
Rachel Maddow, reluctant sex symbol

For which gender?

180 posted on 03/02/2009 10:23:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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