Posted on 02/24/2009 7:14:01 PM PST by Jean S
Live thread.
You're right that no one measures up to him, and so many of our candidates seem to fall short because of the comparison. For that reason, a while ago, I stated his legend, in addition to being inspirational has also become our curse. To me, it's a good idea to look for candidates who are both substantive with a winning style all their own.
I agree, it wasn’t that great, but I don’t think anyone wzs expecting him to give a 10 minute response and then all of a sudden the heavens would open up and the trumpets would blare.
I think a lot has to do with the setting. A response like this isn’t really the forum to demonstrate one’s skills. I think we’d all agree Obama is a great speaker, but I don’t think he’d do much better in this format giving a 10 minute speech in response to a state of the union with no audience or crowd, no feedback, by himself in an empty room. It’s just really not the best setting to come off well. Someone mentioned how Christie Whitman in NJ once gave a response and she had the whole GOP caucus in the room with her appalauding and making it look exciting...that might me a good idea.
Also, just about anyone giving a speech right after Obama isn’t exactly gonna come off well. He’s a tough act to follow.
I suggest you all buy Sarah! stock in the morning because the Bobby market just crashed.
“Maglev to Disneyland?” It’s always nice to start a nationally televised speech with a blatent untruth.
“Do you notice he never has a real conservative come on his program - someone to his right? That wouldn’t be hard to do.”
he had ann coulter on his show. She wasn’t afraid to criticize him severely.
I've never met anyone, ever, who enthused about a response to a SOTU.
I didn't see Jindal tonight, but I don't think he'd have done much good to anyone but, well, folks like us even if he had a stunning speech.
The media have their shining star right now, anyone else will be ignored.
Yes you are. You and all of your fellow Ron Paul followers are disrupters. This is why you campaigned for Obama during the election. Given a choice between McCain and Obama, you and the other Paulistinians favored Obama, because he subscribes to the blame-America-first foreign policy of Ron Paul. Your beloved Obama won, and yet your still campaigning against the GOP.
“We need BOTH style AND substance, like Reagan had. It was Reagan who convinced me BOTH are important. Two of the reasons he was so effective.”
I don’t think Reagan would have the requisite style for this American idol generation. He’d be too old and ‘classical.’
Did you even read the original posts that prompted my reply? I was talking about and attacking the RINO McCain.
No, you're just whining out of anger and spite because I wouldn't drink the McCain Kool-Aid during the election.
Given a choice between McCain and Obama, you and the other Paulistinians favored Obama, because he subscribes to the blame-America-first foreign policy of Ron Paul.
If you are so in favor of interventionist foreign policy, then you are a hypocrite if you dare to speak up against interventionist foreign policy, including bailouts and porkulus bills.
Who is the “he” you are referring to?
Jindal supporters are DUmmies now? C’mon, even you can’t believe that.
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No, you misunderstood. I meant the one you replied to was a DUmmie troll.
Now I admit Jindal speech was kind of flat, but it had far more substance and coherence than anything Obama could put out, and Jindal delivered his speech without a teleprompter. Try that Obama! I will also admit Sarah Palin's interview with Katie was less than stellar, that's if you only watched the chopped up version the media showed. If you listened to, or watched the WHOLE interview Sarah did great. For all those FReepers who are ready give up on Pain and Jindal and think they're not ready for prime time because of one interview or speech, just remember Ronald Reagan's first debate with Walter Mondale. Reagan bombed it big time. But he also came back and wiped the floor with Mondale in the second debate. Aren't we glad we didn't give up on Reagan because he under performed in one debate?
Understand I'm not trying to demean or attack anyone here but I'm just so tired of the conservative base having these stupid hissy fits, and carrying on with this constant whining and pouting because some elections don't go our way or we find out a candidate or leader we thought was our "perfect saviour", like Palin and Jindal, turn out to be imperfect and HUMAN as even the great Ronald Reagan was.
It's time for us conservatives to start ACTING like Reagan instead of just talking about him. I understand things are bad under Obama, but things were bad under Carter and I don't ever remember hearing Reagan whine and complain about how bad things were and that things were hopeless. If I remember right Reagan said America's best days were ahead of her. And he said this at the time when most people thought our economy, culture, and military were on a permanent decline never to come back. Reagan always had an unquenchable optimism in America and it's greatness regardless of the difficulties and challenges he faced.
While Palin and Jindal may not be carbon copies of Reagan, they have his conservative values and have the same love for this country that he had, which is more than good enough for me. So I say this to my fellow conservatives. Stop the with the pouting and the pessimism and start expressing some of the real hope and optimism of great leaders like Ronald Reagan, Sarah Palin, and Bobby Jindal. Our party and our country will be much better because of it.
No, they do a goodbye chat from the Oval Office, in some cases. Bush 41 didn't give one if I recall, but Reagan did.
It's not a SOTU and isn't required, but some presidents do it as a so-long gesture.
You said that you would never vote for Palin, so if she is the GOP candidate against Obama you would be supporting Obama, directly or indirectly. As for who I support for President it is much too early to decide. Right now our best speechmaker is Gov, Palin, the best at Q and A seems to be Gov. Jindal, and Gov. Sanford seems a good possibility also. Unlike you, there are virtually none of the mentioned candidates I wouldn’t support against Obama.
We were being honest. Jindal can do much, much better, but tonight he embarassed the GOP with this flat delivery of what reads as a decently written speech. Conservatives had better get their head out of the sand and honestly assess our candidates instead of being cheerleaders for this person or that person... tonight was an audition and Jindal didn’t get the job.
ROTFL
That's dandy, but I'm talking about you being a disrupter who wanted Obama to defeat McCain.
No, you're just whining out of anger and spite because I wouldn't drink...
Your strawman arguments have no value. I would never expect a Paulistinain to favor the GOP over the DNC, particularly when the DNC has been taken over by Pelosi, Reid, Obama and the rest of the far left, who just happen to share the same blame-America-first mindset of your surrender-monkey hero, Ron Paul. Your accusations against me have no basis in fact. I'm not whining and I'm not angry. I just like debating with the left. Since you and your Paulistinain friends share the same foreign policy veiws as the far left, you are the same in my eyes. You even favored Obama over McCain, just like the far left.
If you are so in favor of interventionist foreign policy, then you are a hypocrite if you dare to speak up against interventionist foreign policy, including bailouts and porkulus bills.
You're not even good at using non seqiuturs. The disconnected, incoherent babbling above doesn't even come close to making any sense.
Aren’t you a Chuck Baldwin troofer?
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