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House shoots down federal gun controls-(State Rights vs FedS)
ap ^ | 2/14/09 | KAHRIN DEINES

Posted on 02/14/2009 8:12:51 PM PST by Flavius

Associated Press Writer HELENA, Mont. (AP) Firearms manufactured and used in Montana would be exempt from federal regulation, under a bill the Montana House is supporting.

House Bill 246 aims to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce, which is the legal basis for most gun regulation in the United States. The bill could have the effect of releasing Montana gun owners from federal registration requirements.

The measure applies to firearms, firearm accessories and ammunition that are made and sold in the state.

The bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Joel Boniek of Livingston, says his proposal is more about states' rights than about gun rights.

(Excerpt) Read more at kxmb.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 2nd; banglist; lp; lping; statesrights
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To: Flavius
Here is the text of Rep. Joel Boniek's HB 246

Here is the vote tabulation for the second reading

Here is the $hit list of those vermin who voted against the Second Amendment and Montana's sovereignty! They will pay a heavy price when we get this out to their home towns!

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N French, Julie
N MacDonald, Margaret
N Augare, Shannon
N Furey, Timothy
N Reinhart, Michele
N Malek, Sue
N Barrett, Dick
N McAlpin, Dave
N Grinde, Wanda
N McChesney, Bill
N Beck, Paul
N Hamilton, Robin
N McClafferty, Edith (Edie)
N Sands, Diane
N Becker, Arlene
N Hands, Betsy
N Sesso, Jon
N Belcourt, Tony
N Bergren, Bob
N Henry, Teresa
N Hollenbaugh, Galen
N Blewett, Anders
N Boss Ribs, Frosty
N Noonan, Art
N Villa, Dan
N Hunter, Chuck
N Noonan, Pat
N Caferro, Mary
N Ebinger, Bob
N Driscoll, Robyn
N Campbell, Margarett
N Dickenson, Sue
N Wilmer, Franke
N Phillips, Mike
N Pomnichowski, JP
N Pease-Lopez, Carolyn

21 posted on 02/15/2009 4:16:14 AM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: Flavius

I’ve got 20 acres outside of Bozeman. It’s calling my name. Virginia is just too close to DC anymore.


22 posted on 02/15/2009 4:16:44 AM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
> If other states follow Montana’s lead, this bill would create a lot of jobs.

With the added benefit of ticking off the anti-gunners, and not a damned thing they could do about it. Win-win!

23 posted on 02/15/2009 5:01:56 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: El Gato

“Nah they’ll just use the same justification they used back in the 30s to regulate crops grown by a farmer to be fed to his own livestock. If he hadn’t grown it, it would have had to buy it, thus affecting the interstate market for grain. Same logic would apply to guns, or anything else, the bastids want to control.”

You’re right, I had forgotten that rationale. Unreal. For the Dems, their entire reason for existence is supported by rationale like that...you can (somewhat) understand their paranoia regarding control of the courts.


24 posted on 02/15/2009 5:12:37 AM PST by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: El Gato

How about taxing home owners for work they do on their homes. After all, they aren’t paying taxes on the labor. ;0)


25 posted on 02/15/2009 5:32:06 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: Flavius

Kudos to Montana....and the only way probably to keep the Feds from enacting anti-2d Amendment legislation.

States have a right to regulate intra-state commerce....and the courts, for the most part, side with states on this one

I could see opposition from the gun-grabbers....but also the Globalists and Free Traders....just wait, one of them will wail “Protectionism”

But, Montana should be commended for the legislation. Not only they have made their state safer, but it will actually create jobs with the manufacturing


26 posted on 02/15/2009 6:01:32 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The Biggest Threat To American Soverignty Is Rampant Economic Anti-Americanism)
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To: madison10

Come Check out Idaho first!

We live about an hour away from Montana

Back about two years ago a fella shot out the tire of a scumbag who just held up a Exxon station with a 30-06 at 100 yds

In Any other State that hero would be charged with a crime

We carry REAL guns for CCW


27 posted on 02/15/2009 6:15:48 AM PST by Idabilly
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
But, Montana should be commended for the legislation. Not only they have made their state safer, but it will actually create jobs with the manufacturing

Just a few miles from where I live in Southwest Missouri Fiocchi of America loads center fire rifle and pistol, rim fire and a full line of shot shells.

Now who manufactures the firearms within the state?

This gun legislation has possibilities!

28 posted on 02/15/2009 6:34:27 AM PST by TYVets
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To: BobL
"... But no doubt the feds will say that they can regulate the raw materials used for firearms. Don’t ask how, but they will find some way."

Bush's Solicitor General already lost regulating raw materials under the Commerce Clause in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in a Nevada case.

29 posted on 02/15/2009 8:43:22 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: Flavius

I have lived in Montana for 38 years and am pleased as punch to see my state show zero’s thugs the door. There are at least 20 states that have or will take a stand against these federal beaurocrats. I hope we will not live the 1860’s over again but if zero pushes too hard who knows what will happen.


30 posted on 02/15/2009 8:49:03 AM PST by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: El Gato

We raise the ante, the feds raise the ante. But at what point does the government decide enforcement is too big of a problem to fix? like they contend illegal immigration and food inspections currently are.

A couple of ruby ridges or Waco’s will definitely turn the population against the government in spectacular ways.


31 posted on 02/15/2009 9:17:27 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: TYVets

Actually in Missouri there are several ammo manufacturers.
Sedalia, St Louis, KC. St Louis and KC are pretty much military grade. Definitely a possibility.

Whats to stop the franchising of particular models or parts to Joe’s Machine and Tool Shop?


32 posted on 02/15/2009 9:23:13 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Is there such a thing as a nationwide 10th amendment movement/organization with state level branches?

I have come to understand that this is perhaps the only way to save our liberty from nationwide socialism/fascism.

We have to pressure our state legislatures to stand up and assert state sovereignty.


33 posted on 02/15/2009 10:47:12 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: El Gato

Wickard v Filburn, 1942

And, yes, I was thinking the same thing.

However, what if the state refused or resisted enforcement?
What if two states did... or 20?


34 posted on 02/15/2009 10:51:48 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: seemoAR

You’re referring to “imputed income”.

If you do work on your own home, you are therefore not paying someone else to do that work (depriving a union member of work), and are therefore “imputing” income to your household.


35 posted on 02/15/2009 10:53:39 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: madison10

The job market is lousy and it is barely a red state. We call Missoula, Moscow in the Rockies.


36 posted on 02/15/2009 10:55:57 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Idabilly
Come Check out Idaho first!

Yep, Idaho is much better than Montana...except for the nut jobs in Sun Valley and Ketchum.

37 posted on 02/15/2009 10:58:05 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Obamageddon

Looks VERY promising!


38 posted on 02/15/2009 11:15:00 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: o_zarkman44
Whats to stop the franchising of particular models or parts to Joe’s Machine and Tool Shop?

For starters a 12 ga pump, 30-06 bolt action, 10/22 and a 38/357 revolver for the bare essentials manufactured in Missouri.

Then Joe would need to multitask with thousands of models just to keep the economy healthy.

Capitalism would then cause more ammo to follow the money trail.

You've nailed it!

39 posted on 02/15/2009 11:27:19 AM PST by TYVets
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To: TChris
You may be on to something there.

They manufacturers could keep building the components in their existing facilities. The components could then be shipped to smaller shops in the desired states for assembly. Voila! “Made in Montana!”

40 posted on 02/15/2009 11:38:36 AM PST by 2111USMC
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