Are mutations part of the “engine” of evolution?

AiG ^ | February 13, 2009

[GodGunsGuts]

Are mutations part of the “engine” of evolution?

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Are mutations really the “key to our evolution”? Do mutations provide the fuel for the engine of evolution? In this chapter, we take a close look at mutations to see what they are and what they are not. When we understand genetics and the limits of biological change, we will see how science confirms what the Bible says, “God made the beasts of the earth after their kind” (Genesis 1:25)...

[metmom]

Thats Why there are so many "Sheep pens" (John ch 10) instead of one body of christ.. and Why people for thousands of years got the message(of the bible) even though they couldn't read(any language) at all.. They had the Holy Spirit and NO bible at all..

For an excellent read on that subject, read *Eternity in Their Hearts* by Don Richardson.

[Alamo-Girl]

I gathered that you meant post 131 instead of 129. You said (emphasis mine):

Please reread all of the posts before opining. The post to which you replied merely duplicates the position of those holding viewpoints opposite to mine: they characterize those of us who can believe that evolution is God’s way as “evo athiest blah blah blah”. I think is is then fair to characterize them as echo-chamber-dwelling, waitress-stiffing, Jesus-on-the-sleeve-wearing, automatons who care more about the words than they do about the faith.

Again, you are quite wrong.

I do not at all presuppose that every one who accepts the theory of evolution is ipso facto atheist.

Indeed, both TXnMA and DallasMike are scientists - embrace scientific observations and theories - and I'm very honored to say, are my brothers in Christ.

I would however say that atheists often appeal to science as their "proof" that God does not exist. Which is ridiculous per se because science limits its inquiry by methodological naturalism so can hardly be cited as an authority for something it never considered in the first place.

Nevertheless, the likes of Dawkins promote atheism under the color of science which is just as troubling as promoting a particular theology under the color of science.

In my view, "Nature did it!" is every bit as halting to further inquiry as "God did it!"

If you are interested in my actual views on science vis-à-vis faith, you might check out this thread or this one.

Beyond that, yes am clearly one who wears Jesus on her shoulder - as well as every other fiber of my being.

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

[Buck W.]

You are obviously a thoughtful poster on the topic, and I, of course, respect your opinion. Numerous other posters, though, are not quite so open-minded. Yes, athiests do often use evolution as a tool to prove the non-existence of God. That, however, does not mean that they are correct.

It is based on the above that I put forth my “weak in faith” argument. The posters to whom I refer are apparently so uncertain about their own Christianity that they attack the tool used by their opponents to support their opponents’ atheism. Instead, they should be confident that their opponents are wrong (as I am), and acknowledge, if not accept, that evolution may in fact be God’s way.

But they don’t. They take the easy way out and focus on the words, not the faith. Jesus is more than words.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

| Jumbled tiles in no pattern do not carry information.

Perhaps, or perhaps in some way that you just don't understand.

Wow, man. Heavy.

[ReignOfError]

This again?

Mr. Peltzer is not injecting religion into science. He is also not refuting evolution. His critique is that evolution does not address and cannot answer the beginnings of life — which any evolutionary biologist would tell you.

[ReignOfError]

Not to mention, the Darwinists have been on the run as of late. Their house of cards are falling.

Imminent death of evolution predicted. Film at 11.

[hosepipe]

Indeed... abide in him.. we are at home where-ever he is..
Though we walk through the valley of death we fear no evil..
Though all creation moans in need, we abide in him

[hosepipe]

Noted... thanks..

[Elsie]

That’s not what I said.

 

No particular reason I'm posting to YOU; it's just a good place to jump into the conversation... ;^)

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... "Christian evolutionists" still argue (or, at least, allow) that evolution could be God's method of creation.

Let's see if there are verses that might shed light on how fast GOD works.....

Isa 48:3 ... I have declared the former things

from the beginning; and they went forth out of My mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] SUDDENLY, and they came to pass.

Indeed!!

Genesis 1
1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3. And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

 

This is a GOD who creates by speaking; but; how LONG did it take?

 

Now Jesus was a man who had God-like powers. Was HE God? The Book says so.......

NIV Colossians 1:13-17
13. For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
14. in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
17. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

NIV Revelation 4:11
"You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being."

NIV Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

 

Notice that when this man speaks, things happen RIGHT NOW! Not after some times passes and Nature takes it's course.

NIV Matthew 8:2-3
2. A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."
3. Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured of his leprosy.

NIV Matthew 21:19
Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered.

NIV Mark 1:41-42
41. Filled with compassion, Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!"
42. Immediately the leprosy left him and he was cured.

NIV Mark 5:41-42
41. He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha koum!" (which means, "Little girl, I say to you, get up!").
42. Immediately the girl stood up and walked around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished.

NIV Mark 10:51-52
51. "What do you want me to do for you?" Jesus asked him. The blind man said, "Rabbi, I want to see."
52. "Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

NIV Luke 5:13
Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" And Immediately the leprosy left him.

NIV Luke 5:24-25
24. But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins. . . ." He said to the paralyzed man, "I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home."
25. Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God.

NIV Luke 8:44
She came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak, and Immediately her bleeding stopped.

NIV Luke 13:12-13
12. When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, "Woman, you are set free from your infirmity."
13. Then he put his hands on her, and Immediately she straightened up and praised God.

NIV Luke 18:42-43
42. Jesus said to him, "Receive your sight; your faith has healed you."
43. Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus, praising God. When all the people saw it, they also praised God.

NIV Acts 9:33-35
33. There he found a man named Aeneas, a paralytic who had been bedridden for eight years.
34. "Aeneas," Peter said to him, "Jesus Christ heals you. Get up and take care of your mat." Immediately Aeneas got up.
35. All those who lived in Lydda and Sharon saw him and turned to the Lord.

NIV Matthew 8:13
Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! It will be done just as you believed it would." And his servant was healed at that very hour.

NIV Matthew 15:28
Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

 

Now if this same Person, who does things in an instant; how LONG would it take Him to CREATE all that we find around us???

[Elsie]

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Since we've been told that Men and Apes descend from a formewr, common ancestor; I have a Question for the Scientists here:

Did our common G-G-G-G-G-G-G-G-grandpa have thumbs on his feet like Chimps and we Humans devolved them; or did he have NONE on his feet and Chimps Evolved them?

[Buck W.]

“...it’s just a good place to jump into the conversation... ;^)”

But you haven’t joined the conversation; you’ve just posted more scripture.

[Sarajevo]

Looks harmful to me. If for nothing else, it will harm his chances in finding a mate.

Wrong again. The guy was already married.

[YHAOS]

allmendream: I have long maintained that if you look at the belief set of creationists they will almost invariably also believe in many other equally unsupportable beliefs (UFO’s, Geocentricism, HIV-AIDS denial, Jesus rode on a dinosaur, etc, etc).

metmom: The only unsupportable belief is that creationists *invariably* believe stuff like that. Some stats would be nice. Do you have any to support your misrepresentations of creationists?

Me too, allmendream. Like metmom, I would like to know where you get some of this stuff. You say, “almost invariably.” I suppose that means “nearly always.” I don’t know anyone who thinks Christ ever rode a dinosaur (there’s no Biblical support to indicate He rode anything except an ass). I don’t know anyone who thinks the sun revolves around the earth. I don’t know anything more about HIV/AIDS than what metmom has reported to you. Except, I do remember a time when AIDS was called GRIDS and scientists were unable to definitively declare that AIDS/GRIDS could not be spread by mosquitoes (for some reason I felt no concern, so I patiently waited for the day when scientists would know more, but I never saw the day when I didn’t feel I was being fed more lies than facts – and not by ‘Creationists’). I don’t know anyone who has seen a UFO (I saw a UFO once, but I’m pretty sure it was a meteorite and I never lost sleep over the incident).

You profess to be a Christian. World wide, there are something like two billion Christians. By definition, every one of them is a ‘Creationist.” I don’t know of any Christian who does not, as an article of faith, believe that God created the universe (the heavens and the earth). Do you? Has anyone ever done a representative sampling of these give or take two billion Christians, and in that sampling queried them on Christ riding a dinosaur, UFOs, Geocentricism, HIV/AIDS, or any of your other etc, etc?

[YHAOS]

I guess if I had just been a little patient, I would have had my question answered for me. Although, come to think of it, my question is just a little different from the answer you've provided (see #153) Thanks GGG

[allmendream]

A Creationist is shorthand for a “Special creation”ist, i.e. someone who believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis and denies the evidence for evolution; not just anyone who believes that God was responsible for creation.

There are Geocentrist FReepers who are also creationists.

There are Creationist Freepers who speculate on how many dinosaurs Noah could fit on the Ark. As well as Kent Hovind the famous creationist known as “Dr. Dino”. And the Creationist Coloring Book that has Jesus on a dinosaur.

THere are Creationist FReepers who rejects HIV as the cause of AIDS. Check GGG’s home page.

There are Creationist FReepers who deny that Muslim fanatics were responsible for 9-11 and say that they are actually materialist “temple of Darwin fanatics”.

[allmendream]

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[allmendream]

[allmendream]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14122311/

Here the Creationist Museum shows a Noah's Ark exhibit with dinosaurs on board.

[metmom]

A Creationist is shorthand for a “Special creation”ist, i.e. someone who believes in a literal interpretation of Genesis and denies the evidence for evolution; not just anyone who believes that God was responsible for creation.

By whose definition?

So what do you call people who believe that God created everything but not with to the arbitrary conditions that you added?

By portraying *creationists* as people who invariably believe all manner of nonsense like you claim, you do nothing to support conservatism. It's lies like those that drive people away from it (as evos claim) and they are spread by evolutionists and liberals.