Posted on 02/13/2009 2:41:18 AM PST by SvenMagnussen
A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be "monetary sanctions" against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn't qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution's demand for a "natural born" citizen in that post.
The suggestion came in an exchange of e-mails and documents in a case brought by former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others in California. The case originally sought to have the state's electors ordered to withhold their votes for Obama until his eligibility was established. Since his inauguration, it has been amended to seek a future requirement for a vetting process, in addition to the still-sought unveiling of Obama's records.
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yeah, I know I'm late to the thread, but I couldn't resist.
I’ve seen it posted that Obama never filled out a selective service form, or else did it very late. It occurred to me that if he were technically an Indonesian citizen residing here, he may not have been on the military’s list of whom to send letters to at the age of 18.
INDEED.
GOOD WORK.
Except perhaps for the latter, and that with restrictions, the answer would be no. Permanent residents and citizens could be drafted, citizens can vote and serve on juries. Both can hold any job they can get.
There are far too many holes in your statement for it to have any bearing on the subject at hand.
Women can't be drafted, yet the last I checked, we remain subject to the laws of the US. If not, I want that traffic ticket money back from several years ago. Many people with handicaps are exempt from the draft. All of them are subject to the laws of the United States. Quakers sometimes went so far as to exempt themselves from the draft, often with the assistance of understanding draft boards, but they remained citizens subject to US jurisdiction.
Prisoners and felons can't vote, depending on where they live, nor can children. All are subject to the laws of the US.
Some handicapped people, most children, and some elderly people cannot work, but are subject to the laws and jurisdiction of the United States.
Thus, a handicapped woman who committed armed robbery could not vote, work, or be drafted. If she lives in the US, she is still subject to our laws.
Finally, if what you say were true, any illegal alien would but have to scream "not it!" and be un-prosecutable. I assure you that in spite of John McCain's very best efforts in the field of Illegal Alien Apologetics, this is not the case.
Therein lies one of the MANY problems with dual or multi-citizenship — military obligation.
We're still waiting on confirmation about BHO’s Indonesian citizenship. BUT his Kenyan citizenship, we know about.
Chapter 199 of the Laws of Kenya establishes the their military. Some sites say they've NEVER forced a conscription, but I don't think that's always been the case.
Under British colonial rule, conscription existed in Kenya, applying to all British citizens. For some time also women were liable for military service. I bet registration existed during the 70s and 80s for the draft in Kenya, even though it was never used.
I wonder if BHO was SUPPOSE to have registered for the Draft in Kenya as he may have done here in the US when he was in Occidental College. The same may be the case in Indo as well.
Let me do some research and I'll post it back here.
re: Oxy, O being a slacker
He wrote about drugs, bad grades, being an activist re: Aparteid/Mandela already.
When was Indonesian citizenship ruled out btw?
Have a link?
Was it on the basis of he was just adopted and not required to be a citizen in Indonesia (Law)?
If so, where are the documents via name change?
I would like to know how easy would it be to get into Pakistan from Indonesia on school breaks with an US passport (even though his college roomie with him was Paki)?
But at birth he was a Kenyan/British citizen!!! Therefore, not a natural born U.S. citizen.
There has to be a difference between natural born citizen and citizen, right? If not, why did the framers specifically cite the term natural born citizen?
bookmark.
How do you know that didn't happen with BHO?
What was mother Ann doing from the time she married in Feb 1961 until she divorced in March 1964?
Well, I’m assuming you’re aware of the loopholes in the “CertificaTION of Live Birth” in Hawaii.
SO, based upon your research, where was Ann and what was she doing from the time she married BHO Sr in Feb ‘61 and the divorce in Mar ‘64?
“What” is not as important as “where” and “when”.
Do you know?
It is ruled out by both the Indonesian and US nationality laws that were in effect at the time he was living in Indonesia.
Indonesian law expressly prevented adopted foreign children (assuming he was adopted, which has not been substantiated) from gaining Indonesian citizenship unless, by the act of adoption, those children would lose their former citizenship. US nationality law at the time (the 1952 act), however, expressly prevented US citizen minors from losing their US citizenship by act of foreign adoption. Links to all the relevant laws can be found here:
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/2008/10/did-obama-becom.html
If so, where are the documents via name change?
They most likely do not exist, as there is no evidence that Obama ever legally changed his name in the US.
I would like to know how easy would it be to get into Pakistan from Indonesia on school breaks with an US passport (even though his college roomie with him was Paki)?
Very easy. From the June 14, 1981 Travel section of the New York Times:
"Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports. "
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0DE2DA1338F937A25755C0A967948260&sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=5
Wow, what other foreign laws override US laws? Or is it just who and who isn’t a US citizen?
> “What” is not as important as “where” and “when”.
You would need to be a witness to know where and when Ann was on or about Aug 4, 1964.
What if I told you there are people who can attest to where Ann during that time — would you believe them?
Well, see, that's kind of another problem with Dual Nationality... and why the US's current stance is to allow it but not encourage it. Complexities galore ....
What countries laws come first?
Military service and voting?
What if there are no treaties between the nations and are they're hostile toward the other?
Can a country expatriate without the permission of the citizen?
Can a country repatriate without the permission of the citizen?
Federal statutes describe aliens "residing within the limits, and under the Jurisdiction of the United States...". Just because you are operating under the jurisdiction of the U.S. does not mean that you are actually subject to the "full and complete" jurisdiction thereof. The Framers defined that particular distinction by national allegiance.
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