Posted on 02/10/2009 9:52:07 AM PST by an amused spectator
Per USA Today
The premise in your question is wrong.
Tell me how exactly somebody who wants to rid the streets of "illegal guns" and somebody who thinks the second amendment is about "hunter's rights" isn't a gun grabber.
As I said, too many on this board were praising this liberal, Gillabrand...and still do.
I made no such assumption and offered no such opinion.
Exactly why do you make such a wrong assumption about what I said?
Be exact now...
She's neither.
Thank you! What we ought to do is organize something with FReepers, as well as those on our side in the media that will aid us in our efforts. You’re on the list! :)
The Acting President pro tempore appointed Mr. Inouye, Mr. Baucus, Mr. Reid of Nevada, Mr. Cochran, and Mr. Grassley conferees on the part of the Senate.
I am aware of that. And no money appropriation bill can reach a president's desk unless a Congress puts it there. Congress controls that 100%. Congress controls the budget 100%. A president can submit a budget and Congress can ignore it 100%.
Congress appropriates ALL money by decree of the US Constitution!
Do you really think Clinton ran a budget surplus from 1995 - 2000, or do you think it was the Republican Congress with Newt and the "Contract with America" that slashed the budget? Prior to Newt and the Republican Congress, Clinton was racking up $200 billion dollar budget deficits.
No money appropriation bill gets on the desk of the president unless Congress puts it there.
$700 billion TARP + $900 billion “stimulus” + $1.5 trillion treasury bank bailout + $600 billion current budget deficit fiscal 2009 (Oct - Feb) = $3.7 trillion dollars in the hole! And we haven’t even finished budget fiscal 2009 which should add another $600 billion.
In just 1 year, $4.3 trillion in the hole, not including interest, under a Democratic controlled Congress and Obama.
Looks like I had bad info. My bad.
You listed the red state dems that voted for it, said they hadn’t been mentioned on the thread and said they would skate.
No nefarious intent was present.
Ah...thanks for pointing that out for the second time.
“I am aware of that. And no money appropriation bill can reach a president’s desk unless a Congress puts it there. Congress controls that 100%. Congress controls the budget 100%. A president can submit a budget and Congress can ignore it 100%.
Congress appropriates ALL money by decree of the US Constitution!
Do you really think Clinton ran a budget surplus from 1995 - 2000, or do you think it was the Republican Congress with Newt and the “Contract with America” that slashed the budget? Prior to Newt and the Republican Congress, Clinton was racking up $200 billion dollar budget deficits.
No money appropriation bill gets on the desk of the president unless Congress puts it there.”
Since you are still not getting it, I guess this is futile. Spending requires both the majority votes of Congress and the signature of the President (barring a veto and override or 10 day presidential omission). Therefore, the entire budget process is a negotiation between Congress and the President! They both have to concur! What about this are you not getting!
Don’t you remember the 1995 government shutdown? That was because negotiations broke down...the Congress can’t simply (without 2/3) ram a spending bill into law. They need to include or exclude items wanted and not wanted by the president in a compromise!
*sigh* I get it! And spending occurs exactly in the order that you put it in your above statement. Spending is appropriated in Congress! Nowhere else!
Do you really think the current spending of the Democrats equals the spending under Bush? The Democrats are now up to some $3 trillion plus in 1 year.
That provision is scary. My mother feels my grandmother who is on medicare may get the shaft.
Not really. They own it.
“$700 billion TARP + $900 billion “stimulus” + $1.5 trillion treasury bank bailout + $600 billion current budget deficit fiscal 2009 (Oct - Feb) = $3.7 trillion dollars in the hole! And we haven’t even finished budget fiscal 2009 which should add another $600 billion.
In just 1 year, $4.3 trillion in the hole, not including interest, under a Democratic controlled Congress and Obama.”
Ok, now I actually have a read on your ignorance. You hear government backed, government sponsored, government loaned and Federal Reserve loan and guarantees and think automatically that they are taxpayer expenditures that are one way. And because that is false and because you believe that, you are ignorant of all of those components.
The 700 billion TARP includes loans, purchases of equity and direct investments. This means that some of the money, if not most will find it’s way back to the treasury. Ever heard of the Savings and Loan crisis where we did the same thing and much of it was repaid?
The 1.5 trillion wasn’t a treasury bailout, it was more like 2.2 trillion and it was from the Federal Reserve. That doesn’t come from the treasury and thus it isn’t a taxpayer expenditure. And don’t give me any inflation crap because we are stuck at the zero lower bound and there’s no where else to go. Monetary policy is official dead and the only power the fed has left is to raise interest rates in the event of inflation which would = recovery. Thus fiscal policy from the government is all that is left.
The $600 billion deficit is an inherited buildup over the last 8 years and thus has half to do with Bush since he signed every single piece of spending legislation, 3/4 to do with Republican Congress since they originated and passed 6 of those years and 1/4 to do with Dem Congress since they originated and passed those bills.
So now we are left with a roughly $800 billion dollar stimulus which actually IS taxpayer funded, one way spending amidst the worst financial crunch since the 1930s and in my opnion isn’t enough to get the job done. As mentioned above, monetary policy by the Fed is dead once you hit the zero lower bound so fiscal policy is all that is left.
Now that you have been informed a little bit, please verify the above information and stop acting like you have an inkling of where these monies originate and how they are spent and repaid. Your understanding of government finances is a joke.
Go away asshat. $3 or $4 trillion in 1 year you you cannot explain away.
Have a nice day, spinner.
As a final caveat to our forum discussion, please see this IHT article
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/11/america/12stimulus.php
and note the first paragragh where it says:
“House and Senate leaders on Wednesday struck a deal on a $789 billion economic stimulus bill after little more than 24 hours of rapid-fire negotiations with the Obama administration...”
Spending bills are specified as the domain of Congress according to the Constitution, yes, but please don’t ignore the other part of the Constitution about the requirement of the President’s signature.
All spending bills include negotiations with the President so laying debts and deficits soley at the foot of Congress is a half truth.
I’ve looked at this guys posts and he is always on the liberal’s side. I think he is an Obamabot.
And what’s even scarier is an attack on free speech. How can we solve any problems [including healthcare] if we are silenced? Breaking the law would be the only solution left, but how long before we’re locked up piecemeal?
FRiend, I’m sorry you did not get to see a truly free America for even a year of your life. In fact, I’m too young to know what it was like when kids could be kids back in the 50s. I hear what it was like, and it ticks me off royally that so much freedom has been lost already.
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