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Obama Putting Brakes on Surge in Afghanistan (Backtracking at record speed)
fox news ^ | 2/8/2009 | fox news

Posted on 02/08/2009 8:52:49 AM PST by tobyhill

President Obama has demanded that defense chiefs review their strategy in Afghanistan before going ahead with a troop surge, the Sunday Times reported.

There is concern among senior Democrats that the military is preparing to send up to 30,000 extra troops without a coherent plan or exit strategy.

The Pentagon was set to announce the deployment of 17,000 extra soldiers and marines last week but Defense Secretary Robert Gates postponed the decision after questions from Obama.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; bho2009; bho44; bhodod; bhogwot; brokenpromises; democrats; dhimmicrats; husseinobama; nato; oefsurge; taliban; weakling; wot
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To: snarks_when_bored
Obama's going to defeat the Taliban with a charm offensive

He wants to defeat America.....not the Taliban (with whom he sympathizes).
41 posted on 02/08/2009 9:18:42 AM PST by roses of sharon (Pray Hussein fails!)
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To: AliVeritas

You may be right, but the statement is most likely true. Afghanistan has been the graveyard of empires for 2000 years. There are no natural resources or strategic reason to be there other than to prevent it from being a launching pad against Western countries. The way to keep that from happening is cut deals with the tribal leaders even if you have to pay them off. Afghanistan is the size of Texas and 30,000 or 60,000 troops are not going to be able to secure all the tribal regions and the border with Pakistan.


42 posted on 02/08/2009 9:18:55 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Oldexpat

So much for democracy and elections.
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I guess that can be said for anything our Marxist Madmen touch from now on...unless the electorate finally wises up. It is a race between the removal of ignorance and the Marxists spending the “stimulus” money to buy an army of voters.


43 posted on 02/08/2009 9:20:20 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA
Politics are far more important to DemoRATS than results.

I know what you mean, but we also know that these rats *do* want results, just not the same results we want. They are "the ends justify the means" kind of people and the only results they want are for the US to crumble as a sovereign nation and bow down to the UN.

44 posted on 02/08/2009 9:20:58 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: tobyhill

What is this obscession that every military attack must be accompanied by an “exit strategy” plan to run away?

How about a good enough plan and effort on our part that the OTHER side needs the “exit strategy”?

They need to turn off the Creedence Clearwater Revival music and realize that everything isnt Vietnam. Hell, even their Vietnam isn’t the real Vietnam.


45 posted on 02/08/2009 9:21:11 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Allegra
The surge worked in Iraq, so he doesn’t want it to work in Afghanistan?

Because GWB commanded the surge in Iraq.

Zero is in charge now....

46 posted on 02/08/2009 9:22:10 AM PST by dirtbiker (Obama is America's first Affirmative Action president....)
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To: tobyhill
He asked: "What's the endgame?" and did not receive a convincing answer.

I guess our generals didn't go to fortune-telling school like Bammy did.

Someone should advise the Idiot WonderBoy that military action is full of imponderables, and unknowns, which can change without notice. It's not a chessboard where all the pieces are known and the rules and boundaries clear.If you want an "endgame" Bammy, ask Garry Kasparov.

47 posted on 02/08/2009 9:23:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chgogal
>I?Shouldn’t this be “The Arrogant Moron Alert”.

Shorten it to THE AM ALERT.

It would be a daily thread.

48 posted on 02/08/2009 9:24:06 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Allegra

True.


49 posted on 02/08/2009 9:25:01 AM PST by AliVeritas (They serve Moloch/Ba'al. Prepare for punishment. Gird your loins, pray, pray, pray.)
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To: UCANSEE2

LBJ made the mistake that all central planners do and that was to take the military decisions out of the Pentagon and made them at the WH. That is what cost us the war and LBJ was the reason. Hussain is doing the same thing only he is going to run and leave the Afghanis to die.

Pray for America and Our Troops


50 posted on 02/08/2009 9:25:05 AM PST by bray (The District of Corruption fits Obama like a Glove)
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To: AliVeritas
I should go find every video of him saying ‘We’re ignoring the real threat, Afghanistan’, blah. If they’re not scrubbed first.

Soon he'll say that Bin Laden has left and nobody knows where he is (Bush's fault) and so there's no point in maintaining forces there and we might as well spend the money on neighborhood organizing anyway.

51 posted on 02/08/2009 9:25:43 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: dirtbiker
The military actually has a track record of success in what it does, so long as Democrats are not involved...

A Truism, well stated.

52 posted on 02/08/2009 9:26:03 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Oldexpat
.Pakistan ain’t afraid of us and Russia is going to extract pay back for any logistics.

Obama is trying to play 'checkers' with a 'chess' set.

53 posted on 02/08/2009 9:26:45 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: AirForceMom

Yes he is.


54 posted on 02/08/2009 9:26:58 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: tobyhill
The best we can hope for with "Jimmuh" Obama in Afghanistan is an orderly withdrawal.

He is not up to the task of stopping the developing chaos on our supply routes and the predations of our baggage trains.

Putin threw a dog shit stained shoe at him last week in Kyrgyzstan, and Barky took it right between the eyes. Putin then offered him a supply flyover of Russian territory, like a veteran coach putting in his third string and calling the mercy rule on an over matched opponent.

If Obama tries to play General, we're just going to end up with lots of "Jimmuh's rescues in the desert situations". Better just leave and plan for the next attack after he's gone.

55 posted on 02/08/2009 9:29:04 AM PST by Obamageddon (Birth certificate and college transcripts will be required for Federal employment, Mr. Soetero)
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To: InterceptPoint

It’s all in how you ‘write’ it. (as any reporter knows)

“without a coherent plan or exit strategy.”

without a coherent plan (i.e. exit strategy).

It’s just Obama’s way of saying he wants a clearly defined exit strategy that he can use to make himself look good, at the time he chooses.


56 posted on 02/08/2009 9:32:59 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2
I pick on LBJ because he was one of the three crookedest politicians of my lifetime. Don't stick your foot in a bear trap if you don't know how to get your foot out of the bear trap.

LBJs plan was to develop a Korean style truce with the US maintaining permanent bases in Viet Nam. Here's why I think this:

First, if you look at a world map, at the time the US had naval bases in Korea, Japan, the Philippines, friendly docking spaces in Australia, Indonesia, the middle east and land bases in Eastern Europe. With the exception of Viet Nam, we had them totally surrounded. Brown and Root dug five deep water ports in Viet Nam. If we were simply engaged in a police action, there was no need for deep water ports, especially not five. Deep water ports are built to create permanent bases for big naval vessels or for commerce.

Most military plans are obvious if you read a map. Take a look at the "War on Terror." We know where most of the operational funding for terrorism is coming from. The agents are spread out all over the world, but without funding, they're impotent. We tolerate the Saudis because war isn't always ideological. You make deals with people because it's in your best interest, not because they're nice guys. Our first thrust was Afghanistan, our second, Iraq. There are various other initiatives that aren't being reported, but these are too big to keep secret. What's in between these two countries? Iran. Obama will capitulate, so the plan is over, but I know exactly where Bush and Cheney were planning to go before popular support was knocked down and the action became impossible. There's a reason so much Arab oil money went into buying interests in the US press.

Powerful foreign interests use the US press for propaganda purposes, and have since the early sixties. Prior to that, the press was just as slanted, but for the US. The NY Times has, of course, supported the Marxists forever. Remember the Times was the paper that denied the existence of the death camps in Russia during Stalin's purge. The two big contributors to the US press are the marxists and the Islamists. The US continually engages in covert actions in South America, but there are no South American agents putting moles and money into the US press, so, there is no reason for the press to expose or oppose these operations. The press screams the loudest when the operations are damaging the people that are providing their funding; the marxists and the Islamists.

57 posted on 02/08/2009 9:33:20 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: bray

Ping to 57. Agree on the decisions. Political leaders should make policy decisions; warriors should make tactical decisions. Carter was like LBJ in that respect.


58 posted on 02/08/2009 9:35:06 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
I don’t know what he is doing, but before we send any more troops to Afghanistan, we need to set an end game strategy and figure out the larger problem which is Pakistan.

Obama doesn't want and 'end game' strategy.

He wants an 'exit game' one.

He's not asking how to win. (otherwise he would go along with a 'surge')

He's asking how to exit.

59 posted on 02/08/2009 9:35:17 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yeah, and at this point I don’t know if Obama is actively working for the Islamists, or is just so utterly clueless that he really believes they have no ill will towards us.


60 posted on 02/08/2009 9:37:09 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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