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Science vs. Scripture: An Open Response to Dr. John Ankerberg
ICR ^ | February 4, 2009 | Institute for Creation Research

Posted on 02/05/2009 8:10:48 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

In January 2009, ICR received a copy of a recent ministry letter published by television personality Dr. John Ankerberg. For many years, Dr. Ankerberg has skillfully tackled tough issues related to the church, society, the Middle East, and other topics of interest to believers. Christians everywhere need to be informed, challenged, and also taught sound doctrine—there is no substitute for the Bible.

However, the January letter from Dr. Ankerberg’s television ministry reveals a dangerous trend toward subjugating the accuracy, understandability, and authority of the Bible to the foolish musings of men—namely, scientists who deny that God’s revelation in the book of Genesis is actually true...

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1 posted on 02/05/2009 8:10:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 02/05/2009 8:15:47 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

This will be fun.

3 posted on 02/05/2009 8:23:40 AM PST by norge
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To: GodGunsGuts
Could this be hugh?

Right now it looks like marketing for a new series. Show me the evidence and we'll see if his creative interpretation holds water.

4 posted on 02/05/2009 8:34:11 AM PST by DrewsDad (Somebody set up us Obama)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I was surprised to see Ankerberg was still around.

The checks from The Monthly Prayer Donors must be slow coming in.

He is looking for some cheap publicity?

5 posted on 02/05/2009 8:37:57 AM PST by TYVets
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To: TYVets

I dont remember Ankerberg asking for monthly donors, only having very informative shows, often in debate form, most of which were very informative

To hear he is abandoning the literal 6 days is absurd

he is embracing a theology that is in direct contradiction to science and the Bible

1 indeterminate p[eriod of time with no sun or moon or stars, just a blob?

After all, if he holds to the indeterminite period of time argument, he also HAS to abandone the order of creation to do so

6 posted on 02/05/2009 8:47:23 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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Lots of deathbed conversions to Darwinism. Hubert Yockey, Dembski and Behe, and so forth.

7 posted on 02/05/2009 9:08:33 AM PST by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping. That Ankerberg is a real creep; exactly what the Holy Spirit through Jude was describing.

8 posted on 02/05/2009 9:11:55 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: RaceBannon

The worst part of the zillions of years doctrine is what it says about sin and death. The God of evolution is not a loving, just, or holy God. That god is a tinkerer and sin and death are his tools for getting things right.

No brothers, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t believe God and believe the Marxist Humanists.

9 posted on 02/05/2009 9:16:02 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Which is easier for a scientist to believe:
* Moses parting the Red Sea, or recent creation?
* The walls of Jericho falling down due to marching and shouting, or recent creation?
* The virgin birth of Christ, or recent creation?
* Jesus feeding the 5,000 with just a few pieces of bread and fish, or recent creation?
* Jesus rising from the dead, or recent creation?

That’s a good question to ask the Freepers who try to say their Christians but don’t believe God’s word about creation. Are all of those things listed metaphors?

10 posted on 02/05/2009 9:25:09 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

“To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.”
- Kirk Cameron -

11 posted on 02/05/2009 9:50:58 AM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
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To: demshateGod; All

I’m no fan of Ankerberg, however, if you read his letter, which ICR is complaining about, he explicitly denies evolution of any kind.

As a matter of fact, one of the proofs of an old Earth creation he posits, is that given the literal millions of species/kinds on the earth today, unless there was a hyper-evolution AFTER the great Flood, the number of pairs (30,000 ?) on the ark could not have differentiated to the many millions of species today. A horse pair, he says, for example, could not have evolved into zebras, donkeys, Llamas, etc.... and only several thousands of pairs of animals would have fit onto the Ark.

Ankerberg and other old earth creationists like Hugh Ross are NOT evolutionists.

12 posted on 02/05/2009 9:57:08 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: demshateGod

all anyone has to do is go through the days of creation, what was created each day, and then demand that each ‘day’ was an indeterminate time period of possibly a billion years

13 posted on 02/05/2009 10:27:03 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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The Six Days of Creation

Were they days or ages???

  1. There are those who believe that the days in Genesis chapter 1 were normal 24 hour days (just as Sunday, Monday and Tuesday are normal 24 hour days).
  2. There are others who believe that the days in Genesis chapter 1 were not 24 hour days, but that each day represented an age (a long period of time). They believe that each "day-age" lasted thousands or perhaps even millions of years. This is called the "day-age" theory.


EXODUS 20:11—"For in ______    ___________ the LORD _____________ heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is."

Why do some people say that these 6 days were really ages?

Evolutionary scientists BELIEVE that life in its present form (including men, monkeys, giraffes, kangaroos, birds, fish, plants and all life as we know it today) is the product of an evolutionary process that has lasted about 4 BILLION YEARS (more or less, depending on the latest theories)! That is a very long time!

For the evolutionists it would be appropriate like to RE-WRITE Exodus 20:11 as follows:

"For in 4,000,000,000 years there evolved the heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is."

How many DAYS is 4,000,000,000 years? How many days are there in one year? __________ DAYS

4,000,000,000 YEARS (the time needed for evolution)

X       365 DAYS (number of days in a year)


1,460,000,000,000 DAYS





God says in Exodus 20:11 that it took _____________  DAYS to create the world and all of its life forms.


Evolutionists say in their science books that it took ___________________________ DAYS for life to evolve to its present form.

WHAT A DIFFERENCE! It is amazing and wonderful what our GREAT GOD can do in just six days! It is sad and pitiful that the god of the evolutionists (the god of chance) needs so much time to get his work done! But the evolutionists believe that if you have enough TIME, anything is possible! They believe in this simple formula:

PLENTY OF TIME + PLENTY OF CHANCE (lots of luck!) = AMAZING RESULTS (plants, fish, birds, reptiles, mammals, people, etc.)

Let’s see if this is really true:

  1. Suppose you had a monkey pounding away at a typewriter at a record speed of 12 keys each second. The monkey strikes the keys in a random fashion. How long would it take the monkey to type the entire book of Genesis (all 50 chapters)? Even if the monkey typed 24 hours each day without stopping and did this for hundreds of years, do you think the monkey would ever get "lucky" and actually type all those words? Could he do it if he had 50 million years of constant typing?
  2. Suppose you were to line up a series of alphabetical blocks so that they spelled your name:

















If you were to carefully drop the blocks out of an airplane, do you think they would fall on the ground in just the right way to spell your name? If you repeated this experiment 50 times each day, do you think the blocks would ever fall in the right way and in the right order? If we depend on luck and chance, do things normally fall into order or into disorder? ____________________

  1. If you were to take apart a watch and put all of its parts into a box and then shake the box for 10 billion years, do you think the parts would ever "accidentally" shake back into their proper place so that the watch would work? Are animals and plants more complex and complicated than a watch? ________


The evolutionists admit that evolution seems impossible and that the chances against it ever happening are great, but they claim that if you have enough TIME, anything is possible:

"The odds against the right molecules being in the right place at the right time (to form the first living cell) are staggering. Yet, as science measures it, so is the TIME SCALE on which nature works. Indeed, what seems an impossible occurrence at any one moment would, given untold eons (ages), become a certainty." (National Geographic Magazine, September 1976, page 390)

With time all things are possible! And the evolutionists believe that 4,000,000,00 years is enough time for all life on this planet to reach its present form, and all by chance!

"It took six days!"

"It took 1,460,000,000,000 days!"

?     ë Whom will you believe?  ì   ?

  1. A few people listen to God and believe that creation took place in 6 literal 24 hour days.
  2. Most people listen to the evolutionists and believe that 4 BILLION years were needed for all life to evolve into its present form.
  3. Some people think that they can listen to God and also listen to the evolutionists. They believe both are true. They believe that the days of Genesis 1 were not really days but long ages ("day-ages"). They believe that God made all things in 6 ages (6 long periods of time).

Let’s think about this. If each of these "AGES" were of equal length, then how long would each "day-age" be?

4,000,000,000 years
divided by 6 days
= 666,666,666 years (in each "day-age")

Each "DAY-AGE" would be more than 666 MILLION YEARS! That is a very long day!

Were the days of creation really long periods of time? Were these days really AGES?

Before we answer this, we must first realize that the word "DAY" is sometimes used to describe a long period of time. Here are some examples:

  1. We are now living in the day of grace (the day of God’s longsuffering; see 2 Peter 3:8-9). Certainly the day of God’s grace and longsuffering lasts much more than 24 hours!
  2. The "day of the LORD" refers to an extended time when God will directly intervene in the affairs of men (2 Peter 3:10).
  3. The day of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) is a period of time when the nation Israel will go through a time of severe difficulty and trouble. This same period of time is described in Revelation chapter 12. How many days will this "day" be (verse 6)? ___________ How many years (see verse 14)?

(TIME  =  1 YEAR)   +   (TIMES  =  2 YEARS)   +   (½TIME  =  ½YEAR)

which makes a total of ___________ years

  1. We might use the word "day" in this way: "We are living in a day when men love themselves, love money and love pleasures, rather than loving God" (compare 2 Timothy 3:1-4). Has this kind of day lasted for more than 24 hours?
  2. "George Washington lived in a day when there were no cars and no telephones and no airplanes!" Did Abraham and Moses and Paul also live in this same day?

From these examples we see that it is possible to use the word "day" to describe a long period of time. The word "day" can also be used to describe a 12 hour period of time: "The sky was clear and the sun was shining all day!" Most of the time, however, we use the word "day" to describe a 24 hour period (scientifically defined as the time that the earth spins once on its axis). We might say, "There are seven days in every week." Here we are obviously referring to normal 24 hour days. The important question for us to ask is this: How is the word "day" used in Genesis Chapter 1?


10 Reasons Why the Six Days of Creation Were Literal 24 Hour Days


God has carefully defined the word "day" by the expression "evening and morning." "And the _______________________ and the ________________________ were the first ________" (Genesis 1:5 and see verses 8,13,19,23,31).

There is something that every day contains: AN EVENING AND A MORNING!! How many days are represented below?


_________ DAYS

Daniel 8:14 (according to the Hebrew text) says "Unto 2,300 evenings and mornings; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." How many days is this? _________ DAYS. See also Daniel 8:26.

Every 24 hour day has an evening and a morning. Does an AGE have an evening and a morning? _______ (a long period of time would have many, many evenings and mornings!) An age may have a beginning and an ending, but it does not have just one evening and morning!!

2. Numerical Adjustive

God also defines the word "day" by putting a NUMBER before it: "And the evening and the morning were the ______________ day" (Genesis 1:5). God tells us exactly what day it was. It was the FIRST DAY. See also Genesis 1:8,13,19,23,31 and Exodus 20:11 ("SIX days").

When a number comes before the word "day," it almost always refers to a literal 24 hour day. Compare Numbers 7:12,18,24,30,36,42,48, etc. Let us consider these examples:

  1. a) We are living in the day of manned space flight. (Is this a 24 hour day?)
    b) Have you learned in history class about the first day of manned space flight in1961 when a Russian cosmonaut became the first man to leave our earth’s atmosphere?
        (Was this a 24 hour day?)
  2. a) "I can remember the day when I was in the first grade." (Was this a 24 hour day?)
    b) "I can still remember the third day of first grade when the teacher told me to stand in the corner of my classroom because I was not behaving." (Was this a 24 hour day?)
  3. a) GENESIS 2:4—"in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens (How long was this "day"? – See Exodus 20:11)
    b) GENESIS 1:31—"And the evening and the morning were the sixth day"    (Was this a 24 hour day?)
3. Day and Night

In Genesis 1:5 God has told us what happened on "the ___________   _______." What kind of a day was this first day? Was it an age? In verse 5 God has said that this first day was made up of a period of light called ________ and a period of darkness called ______________. So we know that this first day was a day-night period. DAY 1 of the CREATION WEEK was a period of 12 HOURS OF LIGHT and 12 HOURS OF DARKNESS.





12 Hours

12 Hours





How many days are represented above? ________

Every 24 hour day has a DAY (period of light) and a NIGHT (period of darkness). Does an AGE have a DAY and a NIGHT? _________ (An age has many, many days and nights!)

4. The Fourth Day

Genesis 1:15-19 describes the fourth day of creation. In these verses the word "day" or "days" is used 5 times. Please match the following:

  1. _____ Verse 14–"to divide the day from the night"
  2. _____ Verse 14–"for days, and years"
  3. _____ Verse 16–"to rule the day"
  4. _____ Verse 18–"rule over the day"
  5. _____ Verse 19–"the fourth day"
  1. A literal 12 hour day
  2. A literal 24 hour day
  3. An AGE (a long period of time)
5. The Seventh Day

The seventh day was a 24 hour day also (Genesis 2:1-3). On what day were Adam and Eve created (Genesis 1:26-31)? ____________________ Did God curse the earth on the seventh day, the day which He blessed (see Genesis 3:17-19 and Genesis 2:3)? ____ Did Adam and Eve live beyond the seventh day? _______ How old was Adam when he died (Genesis 5:4-5)? __________________ The seventh day was not a long age lasting thousands or millions of years. It was a 24 hour day just like the first six days.


6. The Fourth Commandment

The fourth commandment is found in Exodus 20:8-11 and in these verses the word "day" or "days" is used 6 times. To see how the word "day(s)" is used in these verses, please do the matching problem found at the top of page 35:


  1. _____ Verse 8—"sabbath day"
  2. _____ Verse 9—"six days"
  3. _____ Verse 10—"seventh day"
  4. _____ Verse 11—"six days"
  5. _____ Verse 11—"seventh day"
  6. _____ Verse 11—"sabbath day"
  1. Literal 12 hour day(s)
  2. Literal 24 hour day(s)
  3. An age (a long period of time)

Notice in Exodus 20:11 that the number _______ is placed before the word "days" (see pages 32-33). Your friend might say to you, "I worked on a paper for school and it took me six days to finish!" Do you think your friend meant days or ages? ______ (When you are doing schoolwork, it may seem like ages but it is really only days!) How long did it take God to finish His work of creation (Exodus 20:11)? _____________________ Do you think these were 24 hour days? ________

In these verses we learn that God’s WORKING AND RESTING was to serve as a pattern for Israel’s WORKING AND RESTING. God told the children of Israel that He wanted them to work six days (Sunday through Friday) and rest on the seventh day (Saturday) because this was exactly what God did when He created the heavens and earth (Exodus 20:11).

If the days of creation were ages, then the WORK DAYS for the children of Israel must also be ages (if we are to be consistent). Can you imagine a hard working Israeli man coming home after a day’s work and collapsing in his wife’s arms, saying, "My dear wife, what a long and hard day of work I had! Today I worked 500 million years and I am really tired!! I can’t wait for the Sabbath to come so that I can rest!"

Of course, this would be ridiculous! This is what happens when a person tries to make DAYS mean AGES. It becomes silly. On the following page we will learn that DAYS (PLURAL) can never be ages.

7. Days (plural)

In Exodus 20:11 we are told that the LORD made everything in six days. The word "DAYS" is plural. When the word "day" is used in the plural (DAYS), it almost always refers to literal 24 hour days. The word "day" (singular) can be used of a period of time that is longer than 24 hours: "the day of the LORD" "The day of grace" "the day of trouble" "the day of modern science" etc. (see pages 31-32), but the moment a person speaks about DAYS (plural), he is talking about 24 hour days. Consider these examples:

  1. How many days are there until your birthday?
  2. It took the children of Israel 7 days to capture the city of Jericho (read Joshua chapter 6).
  3. Mark 14:1–"two days."
  4. Revelation 12:6 (the last half or the final 3½ years of the tribulation period).
  5. Exodus 20:11—SIX DAYS.
8. The Basic Meaning of the Word "DAY"

We have already seen that the word "day" can be used to describe a 12 hour period of light (Genesis 1:5,14,16,18). The word "day" can also be used of a longer period of time (2 Peter 3:8-10; Jeremiah 30:7). But most of the time when we use the word "day" we are speaking of a 24 hour day. This is the normal and basic meaning of the word "day."

When we study the Bible we always should understand a word in its literal, normal, natural and basic meaning unless this meaning does not make sense. Here is our rule—If the basic sense makes good sense, then seek no other sense, lest it result in nonsense.

Here are some examples:

  1. The basic meaning of "LAMB"—a four footed animal, a young sheep.
    1. Does Isaiah 11:6 use the word according to its basic meaning? _____
    2. Does John 1:29 use the word according to its basic meaning? ______
  2. The basic meaning of "DOG"—a four-legged animal often used as a pet.
    1. Does Luke 16:21 use the word according to its basic meaning? _______
    2. In Philippians 3:2 and Revelation 22:15 is this word used according to its basic meaning? _______
  3. The basic meaning of "BLOOD"—the red liquid in the veins and the arteries.
    1. Does John 19:34 use the word according to its basic meaning?_______
    2. Does Matthew 26:28 use the word according to its basic meaning? _______

Note: Roman Catholics have misunderstood this verse because they wrongly understand "blood" according to its basic meaning, and thus when they take the MASS they believe that the juice of the grape becomes the actual blood of Christ. Compare John 6:54 with John 6:40 where we see that eating His flesh and drinking His blood is equivalent to believing on Him.

Should we understand the days of creation to be literal 24 hour days (this is the basic meaning of the word)? Does this make good sense or does this make nonsense? Consider these questions:

  1. Can an Almighty God complete His work of creation in 6 literal days? Is anything too hard for the Lord (Genesis 18:14)?
  2. Could God have done this in one literal day? In one second?
  3. Why did God do it in 6 days (Exodus 20:11)?
  4. Did God need millions of years to make our world the way it is?
  5. Does it make good sense to say that the days of creation were ages?

The only reason some people think they need to make the six days of creation long periods of time (ages) is because they feel they need to give the "god" of the evolutionists enough time to do his work. The god of chance needs plenty of time (see page 30)! He could never have done it in six days! In fact it is doubtful that he could have done it even if he had 6 quadrillion days (6,000,000,000,000,000)!

9. What did Moses Think?

Moses was the man God used to write the book of Genesis (Luke 24:27,44). Whenever you study the Bible you must ask yourself this important question: How did the original writer (in this case Moses) and the original listeners (the children of Israel) understand what was written?

Do you think Moses understood the days of creation to be long ages of time? Would the people who lived in the time of Moses have thought of these days as normal 24 hour days? Did they have any reason to think of these days as ages?

Moses and the people of his day believed that God began His work of creation on Sunday, created man on Friday and rested on Saturday. Do you believe what Moses believed?

10. Make Your Choice: Genesis or Evolution?

Some people believe that if you make the days of creation ages (long periods of time), then Genesis chapter 1 teaches the same as evolution. They believe that the order of events in Genesis 1 is the same order of events as given by the evolutionists. Let us see if this is really true:

  1. Evolutionists say that the SUN came before the EARTH.

But God says the sun was made on DAY ______ and the earth was made on DAY _____. Therefore the earth is _______ days older than the sun! Was there LIGHT even before the sun was made? _______ On what day was this LIGHT created? DAY _____

  1. Evolutionists say that life must first begin in the sea (in the ocean). They teach that after millions of years some life forms eventually moved onto the land.

But God says life in the ocean appeared on DAY _______ and life on land first appeared on DAY ______ (plant life). Thus, life on land appeared _____ DAYS before life appeared in the oceans (marine life).

  1. Evolutionists say that reptiles came before birds (because they believe that birds evolved from reptiles).

But God says that birds were made on DAY ______ and land animals (which would included land reptiles) were not made until DAY ______. Birds are _____ DAY older than reptiles! Could birds have evolved from reptiles? ______ Certainly reptiles did not evolve from birds! (Not even the evolutionists would say this!). The Bible says God made the birds and God made the reptiles. Reptiles did not precede birds by hundreds of thousands of years.

"Every thinking person knows that birds were created before reptiles, because that is what God has told us in His Word." 



  1. Evolutionists say that land mammals came before whales (because they believe that whales evolved from land mammals).

But God says that whales and other great monsters of the sea were created on DAY _____ and land mammals were not made until DAY _____. Which came first, the whale or the pig? _________________ Do you think the whale has evolved from pig-like animals? ________ Therefore whales are ______ DAY older than land mammals! For a land mammal to become a whale he would need to return to the water, lose his hair and grow about 50 times as big! Do you think this really happened? ______ A large elephant (the largest land mammal) weighs about 7 tons! A blue whale (the largest kind of whale) weighs about 150 tons! The whale did not evolve by chance; it was created by God!

  1. Evolutionists say that plant life is impossible without insects because the pollination process (the way plants reproduce) requires insects such as bees.

But God says that insects (creeping things) were not created until DAY _____ and plant life appeared on DAY ______. This means that plant life appeared _______ DAYS before insects. Do you think plants and flowers could survive for 3 ages without insects? ______ Do you think plants and flowers could survive for 3 days without insects? _____

"I was on time! The all-wise Creator created me at just the right time–on the sixth day of the creation week! That’s when I started making honey!!"


  1. Evolutionists say that ape-like creatures came along thousands of years before man (because they believe that man evolved from ape-like creatures).

But God says that men and apes were both created on DAY _______.

  1. Evolutionists say that the sun must have been here before life could begin (because they believe life began as the sun’s rays beat down upon the primitive oceans).

But God says that life (vegetation) appeared on DAY _____ and the sun was not made until DAY ______. It is possible for life to begin without the sun but can life begin without the CREATOR? ______ Who is the source of life, the sun or the CREATOR (see Acts 17:28)? _______ Life owes its existence not to the SUN but to the SON OF GOD (see John 1:3 and Colossians 1:16).

Please indicate on which DAY of creation the following were made:

  1. _______ Whales
  2. _______ God rested on this day
  3. _______ Fish
  4. _______ The earth
  5. _______ The stars
  6. _______ Insects (bees)
  7. _______ Land Reptiles
  8. _______ Trees
  9. _______ Flowers
  10. _______ Monkeys
  11. _______ The Sun
  12. _______ Birds
  13. _______ Elephants

  1. _______ Man
  2. _______ Sharks
  3. _______ Light
  4. _______ Dry Land
  5. _______ Turtles
  6. _______ Firmament
                   (an expanse of space)
  7. _______ Eagles

You cannot listen to both God and the evolutionists! They do not teach the same thing! If Genesis chapter 1 is true (and it is!), then evolution is false. If evolution is true, then Genesis chapter 1 is false, and the Bible is filled with errors. But the Lord Jesus said that the Word of God is ___________ (John 17:17) and we know that God’s Word is __________ from the ___________________ (Psalm 119:160). Who should you believe — the CREATOR or the evolutionists? Will you put your faith in the false god of the evolutionists who needs billions of years to do his work, or will you put your faith in an Almighty Creator who can create all things in 6 DAYS?

As you observe and study the world around you, you will discover that all the true facts of science and all the true laws of science agree perfectly with the Bible and with the book of Genesis! Do you think it is possible for BOOK 1 (God’s revelation in nature) to contradict BOOK 2 (God’s revelation in His Word)? _______ (see pages 14-21). Who wrote Book 1? __________ Who wrote Book 2? _____________ God is the Author of both! This is why both books say the same thing. And both books point to the greatness of the C________________, who is blessed forever, Amen (see Romans 1:25). Sad to say, the books that the evolutionists write often do not agree with the true facts of science and they certainly do not agree with God’s Word the Bible! CHOOSE you this day! (See Joshua 24:15.) Choose the true God of creation or the false God of the evolutionists (the God of chance)!

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14 posted on 02/05/2009 10:35:38 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Ankerberg ignores the variations we already know about in DNA.

NO ONE knows how many variations original DNA had, it is entirely possible that two white people can have a Negro child, and not have cheated on each other.

It is only recently that we had genetic isolation, where dominant genes tend to dictate blond hair in Scandanavians, black skin in Africans, and different eyes in Asia

NONE of that is macro evolution, it is just variation in dna and also genetic isolation of donors

Different animals coming from an original pair is quite possible, look at the different number of housecats, dogs, cows, elephants, fish, birds: each is distinct in their look, but many of those species can trace back to a single pair if there was genetic differences in the first place in the original DNA

No one looks alike, do they? No dogs look alike, do they?

DNA variation.

15 posted on 02/05/2009 10:40:25 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: AnalogReigns

He may not be an evolutionist, but he certainly is abandoning parts of God’s word that don’t fit his current ideology. The geneology records IF the world were billions of years old certainly don’t reflect man being aroudn a billion or so years, nor do the fossil records nor genetic mutations records in hte Mitochondrial EVE project.

As well, yo will find that the time since the flood certain does give neough time for variation within species to account for all that we know today- infact, you find it is plenty of time, and certainly follows the fossil records quite well- Ackenburg can beleive whatever he likes, but adopting hte position he is now adopting juts shows he willing to sell his soul, ignore the evidnece, and beleive man’s word over God’s- But who can blame him? There’s so much ridicule and petty chi;ldishness from the macro camp that weakkneed people just can’t be asked to hold true to God and the actual facts. Much better to just beleive someone’s assumptions about time past, and put your faith in dating methods that aren’t accurate past 6000 or so years than to actually trust hte Creator and beleive hte objective science. After all, man is hte one we’ll be held accoutnable to on judgement day- not God [Sarcasm]

16 posted on 02/05/2009 10:43:32 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: demshateGod

1. _____ DAY 1 (Genesis 1:1-5) A. The creation of plant life (vegetation)—LIFE BEGINS!
2. _____ DAY 2 (Genesis 1:6-8) B. The creation of land mammals and creeping things (insects & reptiles)—THE CREATION OF MAN!.
3. _____ DAY 3 (Genesis 1:9-13) C. The creation of the sun, moon and stars
4. _____ DAY 4 (Genesis 1:14-19) D. The creation of the heavens and the earth—the creation of light.
5. _____ DAY 5 (Genesis 1:20-23) E. The creation of the firmament (heavenly expanse)
6. _____ DAY 6 (Genesis 1:24-31) F. The creation of sea life (including sea mammals) and fowl (birds)
Now ask someone who believes in old earth and day age theories to explain how the order of creation happened with long ages.

17 posted on 02/05/2009 10:46:25 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: RaceBannon

[[Ankerberg ignores the variations we already know about in DNA.]]

And he also ignores that htese variations happen very very quickly and can account for species rapidly diverging/devolving to result in species within their own kinds that look dramatically different- but alas- Ackenburg apparently prefers not to upset the proverbial macroevolutionary apple cart- too many confrontaitons for him to stand up to apparently

18 posted on 02/05/2009 10:47:45 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: RaceBannon; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; ...

Excellent, excellent reply, brother! Hope you don’t mind if I ping some additional FReepers to read it :o)

19 posted on 02/05/2009 11:18:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: demshateGod
Is Satan a literal snake in the grass? If not then why did God tell Satan (the serpent)that he was more cursed than all the animals and that he would slither on the ground and eat dust? Either this is literal or allegorical representing a heavenly concept in earthly terms.

Another thought... How is it that a God who is eternally existent and only just started creating 6 or 10K years ago?

It is my conclusion that finite minds will never come to fully understand until we see Him... and that is the real nut in the shell... Him. God is ever so clear as to the condition of man's soul and the need for redemption and only tangentially concerned that we understand all of history.

Yes, God could have created the earth 6 to 10k years ago and have created it to appear as though it had been here billions of years... but what's the point?

20 posted on 02/05/2009 11:23:13 AM PST by opaque soul
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