And wonder what Obama's far left anti-war supporters are saying, is war OK, as long as it's under a Democrat president, was it only "immoral" when Bush was waging it, to keep us safe?
Some of them are pretty PO’d at Barry already.
This is Afghanistan, not Iraq. Afghanistan has lots of support...for now.
The one thing I think we need to keep in perspective about Obama, is that if he does the right thing we need to support him on that matter.
I heartily agree with the moves described in this article. I’m all for it. We kick the ass of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, then come home.
That works for me.
Does it give you cause for reflection that Biden is the source here? LMAO
“And wonder what Obama’s far left anti-war supporters are saying, is war OK, as long as it’s under a Democrat president, was it only “immoral” when Bush was waging it, to keep us safe?”
Not only that, but why go after Afghanistan? HOW MANY AFGHANI CITIZENS WERE INVOVLVED IN 9/11???
WHY AREN’T WE GOING AFTER THE REAL GUILTY ONES???
Ohhhhhhh...I think I am going to like this next few months, while the Libs try to figure out how to explain all of this BS....
While Joe is probably right, there will be more American deaths in Afghanistan, people are going to have to come to realize one important thing going forward... Joe Biden speaks for NO ONE but himself!! We will see that Biden will have NO role in the Obama government so anything he says will be just Joe’s blather and hot air.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121668659664272147.html
from the article:
Mr. Obama should have supported the surge in Iraq, but that doesn’t mean that advocating one in Afghanistan makes sense.
Afghanistan’s problems are not the same as Iraq’s. Its people aren’t recovering from a brutal, all-controlling tyranny, but from decades of chaos and centuries of bad government. Afghanistan, unlike Iraq, is largely illiterate and has a relatively undeveloped civil society. Afghan society still centers around the family and, for men, the mosque. Its society and traditions are still largely intact, in contrast to Iraq’s fractured, urbanized and half-modernized population.
The Afghan insurgency has no broad popular base and doesn’t mirror an obvious religious or ethnic fault line. It is also far more linked with Pakistani support than the Iraqi insurgency or militias were with Iran. Afghanistan needs a better president, judiciary and police force — and a Pakistani government that is not playing footsie with the Taliban.
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But there is no such thing as tribe in Nuristan,” the official continued. “There is no unit above the corporate community.” The last governor was fired, but it’s not clear how much even a brilliant, honest governor could do in a place so unaccustomed to authority above the village level.
Nuristanis — who were converted from paganism to Islam only about 100 years ago — live in isolated villages in terrain that is rugged even by Afghan standards. There are no paved roads in the province, and helicopters can be shot down from above in the narrow valleys, as two U.S. military helicopters were in the last year.
So how do we bring security to Nuristan? Is bringing in thousands of American troops the answer?
“No!” the official said. “It’s using Special Forces to get the bad guys who are infiltrating from Pakistan. Our enemy only attacks when they expect to win. If we have to go after them, we need the capacity to hunt them with stealth over trackless mountainsides for which our infantry, cavalry and airborne soldiers are not trained or equipped to operate.” Defeating the enemy is best accomplished by highly trained fighters who travel light.
Counterinsurgency is not one-size-fits-all. While there are best practices, they must be applied in a nuanced way. In poorly governed countries where insurgencies are likely to arise, the solution may vary from valley to valley.
It shouldn’t be hard to see that adding men, helicopters or projects is not always the solution. But then, a would-be commander in chief who announces his prescription for Afghanistan before setting foot there has a lot to learn about America’s top job.
(full article at url above)
I’m waiting for the MSM’s “5000 dead” drumbeat to start. Not that I hope that many good men will be killed, but I’m still listening for the repetitive news reports.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Every time Obama speaks he tempers his policies with: “but this is not gonna be easy...it will take time....you have to be patient......”
He will try to milk this honeymoon for all it’s worth.
I guess this will have CODE PINK seeing RED.
SAY NO TO WAR
Unless a democrat is president...
I wonder if the Obambam administration plans to keep the military fully funded, or if he thinks we can do it hobbled with one arm tied behind our backs.
I remember well that in the leadup to the Surge in Iraq all the naysayers were also predicting the same thing for Iraq , a great uptick in US casualties . Yet in fact casualties dropped precipitously and and have remained vastly lower since.
Some US Battalions and even entire Brigades doing their entire tours with almost no losses . Think of 2005 & 2006 .
Bush was so right and well advised by the likes of General David Petraeus who is , THANK GOD , still on scene and advising Mr. Obama right now. We also may conclude that all these mouthy frothing Jihadis are a bunch of cowards who use women and children as shields ,but who run and hide in the deepest hole they can find when they know we are coming for them in much greater numbers . I totally wish our President the best on this . And please bring us the head of Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Sawahiri on a plate . Fill the skies with Predators !
CYA
Gets worse, he said so, and it is no surprise.
Gets better, OH MY GOD the Messiah performed a miracle.
I wonder if they will use the “V” word *now*?
Victory?
OK, so I’m trying to get this straight. Obama wants to pull ALL troops out of Iraq, and INCREASE the troops in Afghanistan, and then ADD operations in Pakistan? As for the casualties — well, he’s damn right about that. There is a reason the tribal areas of Pakistan have remained in the control of those tribes for hundreds of years (if not centuries, really). And, what about Pakistan — is he really thinking that they will just let us waltz in and take action in these areas? Again, there is a reason Bush didn’t force soldiers into Pakistan and recognized that country’s border with Afghanistan — whether it was frustrating or not for our soldiers to let these fighters flee into Pakistan and regroup, and whether in a perfect world we should’ve ignored the border and followed them ANYWAY is a completely separate issue... It’s not as if Musharraf is in control anymore, and it seems that this plan will NOT be kindly regarded by the Pakistanis who currently support the administration of Bhutto’s husband — many of whom it seems are the more hardline Muslim theocrats, and not the likes of which are too friendly towards the U.S. in the first place.
I would hope I’m wrong, but I think I can already see where Obama’s plan will go from here...
1.) The tentative alliance we have with Pakistan will be completely dissolved. We will be facing open war in Pakistan — not just from those people who are Al Qaeda sympathizers either. And, any gains Musharraf got his country through our alliance (decreased power of the theocratic groups, etc...) will be lost as well (translating into even LESS freedom for their people, and understandably turning them against us for our “interference” as they will term this).
2.) Soldiers will NOT be coming home even if we leave Iraq — just where does everyone think the soldiers for the surge in Afghanistan will be coming from... Not to mention the “extra” troops that will need to be brought in for operations in Pakistan.
3.) The Iraqis who right at this moment are still trying to stabilize their country have basically been told — Yeah, so we came in and bombed your country, took out your dictator, restored Freedom to your People, but in a year we’re leaving and you know your enemies are still just outside the gates of the city, but we don’t care anymore... “Good luck”... As if this is not going to make the good citizens of Iraq hate us — to just leave them before they are stabilized, and before we have helped them eradicate the terrorists among them? As if they aren’t just going to bide their time in an effort not to stall the withdrawal, and then go back to bombing women and children, and/or start a civil war? If the intent is to gain “hearts and minds” in order to foster a better relationship between these people and the West, and it the intent right now is to get them on their feet so that they can continue being allies in the Middle East then this action would have the OPPOSITE effect! Liberals like to argue that the War in Iraq has caused more young Muslims to be recruited, but their actions in pulling us out like this - with the full knowledge of Iraq’s enemies is what will REALLY do it. Imagine you are a teenager in Iraq right now - you’re trying to hold out hope that your children will grow up in peace and freedom, but all around you are rumors and propaganda about how the U.S. is the bad guy. Do you really think that after we pull out and this teen’s world becomes another horror of bombings and such that he isn’t going to blame the U.S.? Nope - he’ll say to himself... You know, those terrorists were right all along, and I’ve been a fool... And the next thing you know he’s attending a training camp somewhere looking for revenge bolstered in his actions by the propaganda he’s heard since a young boy...
I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not one to look to for military advice, but geesh - how could Obama be so STUPID!?!? What a bunch of BS.
We respect our President. He sticks to his words and does what is needed to beat those middle east throwbacks... brings our troops back home... I’m all for it! God Bless America!
Stop Jihad Now!