Posted on 01/09/2009 5:23:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
MILWAUKEE — Please, please accept a high-paying job with us. In fact, just swing by for an interview and we'll give you a chance to win cash and prizes.
Sounds too good to be true, especially in an economy riddled with job cuts in nearly every industry. But applicants for nursing jobs are still so scarce that recruiters have been forced to get increasingly inventive.
One Michigan company literally rolled out a red carpet at a recent hiring event. Residential Home Health, which provides in-home nursing for seniors on Medicare, lavished registered nurses and other health care workers with free champagne and a trivia contest hosted by game-show veteran Chuck Woolery. Prizes included a one-year lease for a 2009 SUV, hotel stays and dinners.
"We're committed to finding ways to creatively engage with passive job seekers," said David Curtis, president of the Madison Heights-based company.
Recruiters like Curtis may have little choice. The long-standing U.S. nurse shortage has led to chronic understaffing that can threaten patient care and nurses' job satisfaction, and the problem is expected to worsen.
The shortage has been operating since World War II on an eight- to 10-year cycle, industry experts say. Each time the number of nurses reaches a critical low, the government adds funding and hospitals upgrade working conditions. But as the deficit eases, those retention efforts fade and eventually the old conditions return, often driving nurses into other professions.
"We recently had a hiring event where, for experienced nurses to interview — just to interview — we gave them $50 gas cards," said Tom Zinda, the director of recruitment at Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare in the Milwaukee-area city of Glendale. "We really try to get as creative as we can.
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If you honestly believe more education does not make any difference, there is no point in continuing the discussion. Good day.
You claimed that the nurses are treated poorly and leave in droves. This excerpt doesn’t support your claim.
If you honestly believe more education does not make any difference, there is no point in continuing the discussion. Good day.
I dont believe it, research found it. Read what I wrote and Google it.
Then you need to reread it carfully.
Oh here in midwest/IL nurses can and often do become PAs—depends on what they want to do after they get their BSN—either become Nurse Pract. or PA. Daughter has been examined/treated by both—one a midwife who works for ob/gyn & one a PA that works for dermatologist, and they seem to have equal levels of expertise and responsibility.
So they are assistants in private practice. Do either the NPs or the PAs get to work independently without Medical oversight?
In Iowa NP’s can work independently but PA’s cannot. I think this varies depending on the state. Nursing was my first career - primarily public health. I wasn’t a NP but worked independently in that context.
“If you honestly believe more education does not make any difference, there is no point in continuing the discussion. Good day.”
The ADN/BSN debate misses the point, entirely. First, it ignores experience, something particularly important in a field of work that is as much art as it is science. 2nd, education is of limited value when the “education” is little more than liberal indoctrination - care plans and “theory” are crap with no actual application to the trenches of nursing. There is an utter lack of praxis in nursing. 3rd, outside the ivory tower of nursing, nobody cares about the initials after the initials after my last name. 4th, the ANA poison-pilled this whole debate in 1965 with its “technical” slur. 5th, this whold debate has been wrapped up in some lame idea of “professionalism” with the result being that the majority of new nurses get lectured about how nursing isn’t a “profession” because of its educational status. THAT message, in support of BSN, is more damaging than the failure of achieving a BSN-standard. The side-effects of this poison-pill is worse than the disease. 6th, this issue has been hotly debated - and moved exactly nowhere - for more than 40 yrs. Until those pushing for BSN-standard decide to bring all stake-holders to the table, instead of trying to win the debate by fiat, it won’t go anywhere in the NEXT 40 yrs.
There is a way to move to BSN standard, and, I would concede that such a standard is the way to go. It’s just not going to go that way until the ivory tower decides to stop trying to bully and insult its way to that goal and instead figures out that the best solution is to give everybody an actual incentive to make such a move.
Finally, this is probably TMI for freerepublic. However, if anybody is interested, I’m writing a book about nursing (What the Ivory Tower Won’t Tell You) and I would be willing to discuss a few ideas on how to move to BSN- standard for nurses - how to do so the RIGHT way, with all stake-holders aboard.
BTW, they want the TV back!
“Tell me, what would you recommend (especially for women) in terms of careers that guarantee a job upon graduation from either a 2 (RN) or 4(BSN)-year degree with a livable wage? “
Computer programmer. Chemical engineer. Both pay well above nursing and continue to pay above 100K with just a few years experience. 9-5 job in a corporate office. Becoming a wealthy individual is not that tough in either profession. Both are fairly easy to achieve. The big secret is that the schooling is probably no tougher than nursing.
“Prison guards get to 100K quickly with ot. Most cops make well over 80 to 100 with overtime.
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Where??
I could deal with any and all bodily fluids except for sputum. I despised emptying the suction machine's jar. Blech!!!
It's making me queasy just thinking about it.
Hey, I can read! The ad said “Free TV and Telephone.”
Larry “Loophole” Lucido?
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Good luck with your book.
Hey fair is fair.
Now, to get me a pair of rabbit ears, and I’ll be watching quality TV for years. Can’t wait!
“There is no natural supply and demand.”
Why?
CT and MA
Isn’t the cost of living there demanding of such incomes?
Thanks for thotful reply. May depend on whether 2-year or
4-year program. I think $50+ for or 2-year RN is good money.
I have 2 engineers in family—one started on MS a year ago in EE, other graduated in July with chemE & feels he has to go on to do MS to be competitive —just are not a lot of jobs out there and he is under employed. Admittedly, this is an extremely tough job market for all—esp. new grads. My sons would beg to differ that nursing curriculum is just as rigorous as engineering, tho both are tough, demanding degree programs.
No first hand info, but I have heard/read that computer programming is being outsourced to Ireland/India and there are not that many jobs in that field.
If women wants to get MSN or PA, earnings potential improves dramatically. I just think that Nursing can be a very flexible, well-paying and in-demand career regardless of where you live and the state of the local or national economy.
One of my children is seriously considering nursing over engineering, but they vasillate back and forth. In a recent discussion with chiropractor, she said her sister is a nurse, makes as much as chiro does, has flexibility and I am guessing fewer loans. Anecdotal, but perhaps it just depends on vantage point/experience.
So they are assistants in private practice. Do either the “NPs or the PAs get to work independently without Medical oversight?”
<<<Good question...I was told by one school that Nurse Practioners are able to practice autonomously, and I read that as well—conceivably a NP could put out a shingle and write perscriptions?! From what I read, Physician Assistants practice under auspices of Physician—which made Nurse Practioner appear to be the position requiring more responsibility, etc. even tho Physicians Assistants seem to be perceived as having more responsibility/autonomy by lay people.. In looking into the profession, seems to me that there are far more NP programs than PA programs, with most of the PA programs being offered through more expensive private schools.
Do you think that being able to practice without medical oversight is a critical issue to the field? I know that both of the women with whom we have “patient experience”, the PA in dermatology and the NP in Women’s health seem to be working fairly autonomously in a private group practice setting. One time the PA did consult the Dermatologist for a second opinion; but for the first few appoitnments, I was not even aware that we were being seen by a PA. I have also heard there are now Surgical Assistants, fairly new branch of PAs that can do quite well.
My interest in this subject is sincere as my future daughter in-law is in her first year as a PA, and one of my children is considering BSN and continuing as a NP if finances permit.
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