Posted on 01/06/2009 3:07:33 PM PST by AdmSmith
Ancient DNA recovered from 16 Jomon skeletons excavated from Funadomari site, Hokkaido, Japan was analyzed to elucidate the genealogy of the early settlers of the Japanese archipelago. Both the control and coding regions of their mitochondrial DNA were analyzed in detail, and we could securely assign 14 mtDNAs to relevant haplogroups. Haplogroups D1a, M7a, and N9b were observed in these individuals, and N9b was by far the most predominant. The fact that haplogroups N9b and M7a were observed in Hokkaido Jomons bore out the hypothesis that these haplogroups are the (pre-) Jomon contribution to the modern Japanese mtDNA pool. Moreover, the fact that Hokkaido Jomons shared haplogroup D1 with Native Americans validates the hypothesized genetic affinity of the Jomon people to Native Americans, providing direct evidence for the genetic relationships between these populations. However, probably due to the small sample size or close consanguinity among the members of the site, the frequencies of the haplogroups in Funadomari skeletons were quite different from any modern populations, including Hokkaido Ainu, who have been regarded as the direct descendant of the Hokkaido Jomon people. It appears that the genetic study of ancient populations in northern part of Japan brings important information to the understanding of human migration in northeast Asia and America. Am J Phys Anthropol, 2008. (c) 2008 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
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After participating in a DNA project for my family surname and teaching a semester of Anatomy and Physiology recently, I actually understand the uniqueness of this study. Who says one can’t teach an old dog new tricks?
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I'll have to find that article. I've received a couple of D1 results in my research, and it will be interesting to see how that relates to the D1a haplotype described here (the designations are changing quickly as the research advances).
BTW: Haplogroup M has also been found in the New World (two examples from British Columbia).
Do you know if one can get a discount for ordering the next stage of BOTH father and mother DNA screenings from the NAT GEO collaborating . . . what is it . . . Family Tree DNA?
I know they offered a discount some months ago for just one.
I think the regular price for one is around $100.00
I love Japan, but I gotta say that genetic matters in Japan are HIGHLY subject to profoundly un-scientific factors, some of which will make you double-over, laughing.
Some of these examples are pretty old, but here is one:
Japanese people cannot easily digest US rice because Japanese Intestines are shorter than Non-Japanese Intestines.
There are many such curious sayings, and many Japanese take this kind of thing quite seriously, even though they are fallacious. This goes double when it comes to genetic ancestry.
It is POSSIBLE that they have genetic cross-overs to Native Americans, but I think before you take this seriously, I think the evidence should be not just robust, but perhaps even overwhelming.
I think many Japanese want to disavow any common ancestry with Koreans, and would inherently like the notion that they are the ancestors of the original people of rich, safe America.
I still thought this article was interesting, though.
Another funny one is that The Japanese are highly related to the Jews, and that one ancient Japanese empress was a full-blooded Jew.
There is another weird story that for a time Jesus lived in...Tochigi, or something...
Lots of theories that have the common objective of somehow “proving” that the Japanese are Uniquely Unique, a little bit like those Russians who believe that anything good was secretly invented there before more famously being invented anywhere else...
During my years in Japan, I was close friends with a professor who said the Japanese descended basically from three groups of people-- the biggest were from the Korean peninsula and Chinese mainland, the next biggest were from the islands to the southwest, the Ryukyu's, Taiwan, etc. and the third was from the Siberian and tran-Siberian land bridge, the purest of whom were the Ainu.
Neither did he discount the possibility that Jewish blood entered the Japanese either through Noah's son Japeth or the Silk Road trade. He also told me that Finnish, Turkish, Korean and Japanese are linguistic cousins.
I know nothing of Turkish or Finnish, but can tell you that what little that I have studied Korean, it is quite similar to Japanese, so I don't doubt the professor.
Sorry, the reference in my previous post is John 10:16.
That prof friend of yours actually sounds pretty on the ball; he doesn’t shun the Korea Connection, and in fact the closest linguistic cousin to Japanese is, strangely enough, Turkish.
Like, *PING*, dude.
Thanks. But see post #8, above. ;-)
>>and in fact the closest linguistic cousin to Japanese is, strangely enough, Turkish.
Interesting, thanks for that. Historical linguistics always fascinates me. Do you have a source for more info? I don’t know much about either Japanese or Turkish.
>> Do you know if one can get a discount for ordering the next stage of BOTH father and mother DNA screenings from the NAT GEO collaborating . . . what is it . . . Family Tree DNA?
>> I know they offered a discount some months ago for just one.
>> I think the regular price for one is around $100.00 <<
The National Geographic Society’s “Genographic Project” and Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) are entirely separate organizations. But they use the same lab (University of Arizona) for DNA analysis, and they report results in the same format — so that results from NGS are directly comparable to results from FTDNA (at least on the first 12 DNA markers).
But be aware that the NGS project deals exclusively with “deep ancestry” (i.e., where your forefathers were thousands of years ago), while FTDNA deals BOTH with deep ancestry and “genealogy proper” — the latter being concerned primarily with those ancestors who have lived within the last 600 years.
If you’re male, the National Geographic Society will sell you a 12-marker male-line test (yDNA) for $103.00. Once the NGS gives you your results, you can transfer them over to FTDNA (Family Tree DNA) and add your own female-line test for $89.00.
You can get essentially the same pricing from FTDNA if you order intially thru one of FTDNA’s “surname” projects. But depending on your interests, there can be a very slight advantage in ordering from NGS in that you get snazzier graphics to explain the migratory path your ancestors followed thousands of years ago.
On the other hand, NGS offers no customer support to speak of, whereas FTDNA reputedly has the best customer support among all the various labs and companies in the DNA genealogy business.
Also, if you’re interested in “genealogy proper,” instead of (or in addition to “deep ancestry”), then once you’ve tested via NGS it’s essential that you transfer your results over to FTDNA. There’s no cost to this option, and it will enable you right away to compare results with more than 140,000 other men in FTDNA’s customer database.
I should add that if you’re REALLY SERIOUS about researching the genealogy of your surname, you probably should skip the 12-marker tests altogether and go directly to the much more useful 37-marker test. You can get this test thru an FTDNA surname project for only $153.00 — whereas if you start with a 12-marker test (either NGS or FTDNA) and later upgrade to 37 markers, the upgrade will cost you $99.00.
Finally, please note that all the above discussion applies only to a DNA test for a male. Males can be tested for both their paternal DNA (yDNA) and maternal or “mitochondiral” DNA (mtDNA), whereas females can be tested only for maternal DNA. If you’re female, the least-cost option for getting both maternal and paternal results will usually be to sponsor a test for a brother, father or uncle. But if you want a test only for yourself, then the NGS mtDNA test ($99.95) is a bit more economical than FTDNA’s stand-alone mtDNA test ($129.00).
Not too strange. The Turks were originally from the steppes of Asia before they turned the Byzantine empire into Turkey and beat the hell out of the Arabs as well.
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