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Obama Planning to Scrap Shuttle Replacement, Says NASA [use decades-old military rockets instead..]
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Posted on 12/22/2008 8:19:25 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Obama Planning to Scrap Shuttle Replacement, Says NASA Michael Asher (Blog) - December 22, 2008 10:13 AM

President-elect's transition team planning to use decades-old military rockets instead, say insiders.

President-Elect Obama's transition team is planning to scrap NASA's Ares program, the successor to the Space Shuttle, say NASA advisors. The transition team is demanding deep cuts from the agency, and is investigating whether old military rockets such as the Delta IV and Atlas V could be used in place of Ares.

NASA plans a permanent moon base by 2020, followed by a manned mission to Mars; plans which the agency says require Ares.

The Space Shuttle is due to make its last flight in 2010. Without a replacement, NASA may be without a manned space capability entirely, for the first time since the 1960s, a gap that NASA says would destroy the U.S.'s primacy in space technology.

Prior news reports have hinted at a great deal of tension between Obama's team and NASA, a report that NASA Administrator Michael Griffon has denied.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; america2point0; antiamericanism; bho2008; bhonasa; obamunism; space; spacerace2; spaceshuttle
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1 posted on 12/22/2008 8:19:26 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Back to the days of big dumb boosters? Snort. Let’s hear it for Mr. Science.


2 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:52 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Sub-Driver
and is investigating whether old military rockets such as the Delta IV and Atlas V could be used in place of Ares.

Those rockets are new and primarily used for private launches, though they do have a military heritage like all rockets.

3 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:24 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Sub-Driver

He wants to impose on us the voodoo science of the so called man made global warming but he does not want to invest in the real science and technology such as the space program.


4 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:34 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Sub-Driver
NASA is actually pretty cheap, but I don't think that really matters at this point.

At some point we will have to rebuild NASA from scratch, much like Reagan had to rebuild the military. It will cost a lot more at that time and there will be a lot of catch-up to do.

One good thing though is that maybe Florida will finally get a lesson in which way they should vote.
5 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:38 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Sub-Driver
Expand social programs, cut the military and NASA - where have I seen this before...
6 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:40 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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...a gap that NASA says would destroy the U.S.'s primacy in space technology.

Thats whats at issue here. Obama doesn't want the US to have primacy at anything. He hates the US, like every other leftist, and wants to destroy it.

7 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:54 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Sub-Driver

so he lied here in FL when he promised to support NASA? sweet.


8 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:06 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Sub-Driver

The decline of the USA, brought to you by the Democratic party.


9 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:16 AM PST by IonInsights (T)
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The shuttles exist to service the International Space Station, the ISS exists only to be a destination for the shuttles.

We should have ended both a decade or more ago. Instead, we could have had a station on that odd ‘satellite’ 260,000 miles away, known to some as the MOON.

Past time we got our DNA off the planet.


10 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:17 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Sub-Driver

If Obama is looking for sensible places to cut funding, the “global warming” fiasco is worth looking into.


11 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:25 AM PST by OldNavyVet (Character counts)
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To: mewzilla
Maybe Zero can get the soon-to-be out of work NASA scientists plum positions as community organizers.
12 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:43 AM PST by benasawin
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To: Sub-Driver

So....the transition team has become experts at rocket technoloy now. Amazing, simply amazing at how fast they can get edumacated. If the old technology is so good, let Obama go up with the next flight.


13 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:55 AM PST by RC2
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I’ll bet the Russians and Chinese will be doing a happy dance.


14 posted on 12/22/2008 8:24:16 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: Sub-Driver

Bring back the Saturn V’s?


15 posted on 12/22/2008 8:25:51 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Sub-Driver
as I posted previously:
Bwahahahahahahaha ... and he PROMISED, Central Florida, PROMISED not to uh, mess, with the space program. And you all bought it, hook, line, and headline. (Note that the bwahahaha is hysterical laughter, noting what the end of Apollo did to the Space Coast).
Sen. Barack Obama Pledges Space Advocacy
By Patrick Peterson
FLORIDA TODAY
posted: 8 August 2008

TITUSVILLE - Sen. Barack Obama promised not to cut NASA funding and said Saturday at a town hall meeting he will rely on Florida Sen. Bill Nelson and revered astronaut and former Sen. John Glenn to help form his space policy.

"Under my watch, NASA will inspire the world once again and is going to help grow the economy right here in Brevard County," said the presumptive Democratic nominee, speaking to a crowd of 1,400 at Brevard Community College's Titusville campus.

Obama has changed an earlier position, in which he planned to delay the Constellation program five years and use up to $5 billion from the NASA budget for education.

"Here's what I'm committing to: Continue Constellation. We're going to close the gap (between the end of shuttle flight and the next program, Constellation). We may have additional shuttle flights," he said.

Original article shows those statements as DIRECT QUOTES. Obama Lied ... the Space Coast Died.
16 posted on 12/22/2008 8:26:01 AM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: jveritas
He wants to impose on us the voodoo science of the so called man made global warming but he does not want to invest in the real science and technology such as the space program.

NASA needs to develop an ethanol rocket.

17 posted on 12/22/2008 8:26:10 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Calling Ares a shuttle replacement is a bit of a stretch. As far as the Orion goes, I don’t think anyone at NASA took it to be a serious project but rather as a work-producing stunt. This is the principal problem with trying to launch any program over the span of several administrations.


18 posted on 12/22/2008 8:26:17 AM PST by eclecticEel (In short, I want Obama given the same respect and deference that Democrats have given George Bush)
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama might lose some of his moonbat constituency over this.


19 posted on 12/22/2008 8:26:45 AM PST by pallis
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To: mewzilla

I think it’s a good idea. The current director of NASA was a proponent of the idea at on time. He said it would take very little to man rate these rockets.


20 posted on 12/22/2008 8:27:30 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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