Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz "natural born citizen" (about Obama's foreign father)

Renew America ^ | 12/09/2008 | Arlen Williams

[FreeAtlanta]

Justice Scalia, by referring Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz to committee on Dec. 12 may allow the Supreme Court to decide upon Barack Obama's status as a presidential candidate before the currently scheduled Electoral College election day, December 15.

This case is essentially similar to the case of Leo Donofrio, who assisted Connecticut lawyer, Cort Wrotnoski, in drafting it. According to Donofrio, the basis is very much the same (not essentially about the birth certificate, but regarding a foreign father) and it includes additional corroborative research and/or reasoning. Also, the history of this case is less problematic for the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) than the Donofrio case, due to a suspicious misfiling of the latter case by a New Jersey judge which may have provoked a question of standing before the Supreme Court.

My best suggestion for getting good interpretation of this is to visit Leo Donofrio's blog, where he has opined about Justice Scalia's potential thinking. Also, FreeRepublic.com, keyword: obamatruthfile (which will also likely include interesting discussion of numerous kinds). Also, Plains Radio Network, Inc. forum and The Obama File, Latest News....

[FreeAtlanta]

[Nipfan]

If this does not take in the birth certificate then its very disappointing. Whatever happened to multiple threads in a suit?

I have a strong feeling that one glimpse of the full birth certificate would settle this issue once and for all, with need for arcane argument over foreign allegiances.

[FreeAtlanta]

[stockpirate]

ping

[knarf]

When did Zero attend grammy’s funeral?

[NewEnglander]

This is what a Copy of a Certificate of Live Birth (some data redacted) issued by the State of Hawaii, Department of Health in July 1962 for the Birth of a male child in February 1962 on the Island of Oahu looks like. Note the State of Hawaii, Department of Health official embossed seal and official signatures of the then Director of Health, Leo Bernstein, MD and the then Registrar General, Charles G. Bennett. The State of Hawaii officials’ signatures and the date the document was issued are underlined in red. This document is a photographic copied image. It is a black background document with white letters which clearly were created by a 1962 typewriter. A document similar to this is what most of the lawsuits about the record of birth of Obama are asking to be released for public viewing. The second image is a copy of the Certification of Live Birth document which has been repeatedly “published” on a number of web sites as the Official version of Obama’s birth record from the State of Hawaii. If you had the responsibility to investigate, qualify and vet someone who is to be given a United States Military Top Secret, No Foreign Special Access Security Clearance, which document of the two images shown would you find acceptable as a genuine State of Hawaii government issued “Record of a Birth” in the State of Hawaii? You be the Judge (Roberts, Souter, Ginsburg, Scalia, Stevens, Alito, Kenny, Breyer, Thomas).

[CedarDave]

I have trouble with any court case that asserts that John McCain is not qualified to be president due to his not being a “natural born citizen” because he happened to be born outside the US while one parent (his father) was assigned duty at the direction of the US government at a US base in a protectorate of the United States under the control of the US government.

The case against Obama because his father was Kenyan is tenuous at best PROVIDED Obama was born in the US with at least his mother being a citizen (show the birth certificate, Obama, to prove you were born here). The case for Obama losing his citizenship when he was taken to Indonesia would seem more promising.

The case of Roger Calero is the most clearcut of the three as he is not qualified, because he was born a citizen of Nicaragua, to foreign parents, on foreign soil. If this is upheld and he is removed from the ballot (he was on the ballot in five states), then once again a call for Obama to produce his ORIGINAL birth certificate to show being born on US soil should have merit.

[CedarDave]

For any who look at details, the first document is a “certificate of live birth” while the second is a “certification of live birth.” The difference is key to this case.

[freekitty]

Releasing his real, verified, documented and unaltered birth certificate seems like such a simple request.

It’s too bad Obama will not do this. He definately has something to hide.

[ajay_kumar]

Donofrio suit makes no sense. Any child born on US Soil becomes Natural Born US Citizen, regardless of the immigration status of parents. That is exactly why many Latins come here illegally.

The resources should be spent on determining if Zero was born in Hawaii or Kenya or some other foreign country.

[dalight]

It may be you haven't done enough homework. Someone can be a citizen and not Natural citizen. It turns out that the Doctrine of the Natural borne citizen confers citizenship via the status of the parents and not the place of birth, which was the test the British attempted to use to press American citizens into the British navy until the War of 1812.

The British claimed that American's were born citizens of the Crown and therefor could be called to service inspite of the Revolution and separation of the America from the Empire.

Thus the claim of Natural Born citizen is that of a citizen who has no possible foreign allegiances by birth. Thus a person who is naturally a Dual Citizen as Obama freely admits, he was a British Citizen at least until his 18th Birthday is not a Natural Born Citizen. This is the basis of the Donofrio Argument and is the basis of the Wrotnowski suit as well.

Strangely, they claim that Chester Arthur already used a similar deception to gain the presidency as a Usurper. This creates the situation that if this case is correct, that the various branches of Government may be duty bound to resist any directive given by a President Obama. This is rising to a full fledged Constitutional Crisis and this Brief submits that the fact that Obama's actions resemble a cover-up requires that he meet the burden of proving his eligibility for Office.

[1_Rain_Drop]

Is there proof that she died?
Also, where's the Boston aunt now?

[Hanna548]

Obama planned to stay in Chicago through the week, with a quiet weekend at home. He was still trying to work out funeral arrangements for his grandmother, who died Sunday. A trip to Hawaii for the small private memorial she requested was likely by the end of the year.
Source: orlandosentinel.com

[Andy'smom]

The Boston aunt is hiding out in Ohio with other “relatives”.

[real_patriotic_american]

Right on! When someone tries to hide something, they have something to hide!

http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244

[ethical]

I just figured out what happened yesterday with Donofrio. I saw they had denied the stay but not the Writ so I kept wondering what was going on and I finally see. Donofrio never filed the Writ. I can't believe I did not pick up on that. And I wonder why he ignored the clerks November 3rd docket hint that they were waiting for the Writ to be filed? I wonder if asking for a stay accomplishes almost the same thing as asking for a Writ?

I think I know why I thought it was a Writ, because the rules Leo kept talking about, getting the case before one Justice and if it was denied being able to take it to the next, were the same rules for a Writ of Certiorari?

And it seems that the second Justice to get a case during this process generally refers it to the whole court as a matter of procedure, not based on the merit of the case. They do this in order to not waste the time it would take for the Petitioner to submit it to each Justice down the line as is their right.

I wonder if that violates the Petitioners right. Maybe getting the case before one Justice at a time for their consideration would be better for the Petitioner than to have it booted by the second Justice it goes to into one of these conferences. I mean, the right to petition each Justice individually was written for a reason and it seems this procedural habit they have gotten in to thwarts that original intent, whatever it was.

[ajay_kumar]

Obviously your point of view does not hold water as reviewed by the highest court in the land, SCOTUS. They just dismissed Donofrio’s suit by not even taking arguments.

[jarofants]

Obamas grandmother died November 3 2008.
she was cremated had a service for her a while back and they still have her ashes awaiting for Obama.
Whats strange is Obamas grandfather has also passed and cremated but then they buried him.
who cremates a loved one then bury them in a cemetery?

[knarf]

"who cremates a loved one then bury them in a cemetery?"

I was in the cemetery business for 11 years ... many people use a cemetery for cremains.

It would seem logical for Zero to leave them there ... I don't think there's anyone here with 'roots' ( did I say that ? ) that would have a mantlepiece to display them on, Mich doesn't even go to Hawaii with him on these jaunts so her side of the family is out ...

It is logical for a man that has so much to do would leave them there until "he has time".

[Cyropaedia]

".... and so, which document do you want? Document number one, or document number two...? Chief Justice Roberts, let's start with you..."