Posted on 12/06/2008 2:00:18 PM PST by Deepest End
The decision on granting a hearing challenging President-elect Barack Obama's U.S. citizenship is still pending.
The "Washington Times" reports that the U.S. Supreme Court held a private conference Friday morning to discuss whether to take up a lawsuit but it was not on the list of court orders for the day.
According to the "Times" a Supreme Court spokesman said the decision to hear the case will most likely be announced next week.
(Excerpt) Read more at arkansasmatters.com ...
I personally believe that whatever happens here, that it will NOT be the end of it.
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
I think the Justices realize that anything they do will affect this situation. They can't stay out of it and maintain the status quo. So they might as well get fully involved.
"If Obama can’t PROVE he is a legitimate NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN —I will never accept him as President, and in fact view him as an enemy of the Constitution and Republic."
I'm with you and would further state that we ALL -- those of us who are American Citizens - have a duty to uphold OUR constitution...
And I am not obligated to wait for the government to 'guide' me.
If Obama doesn't come forth with a verifiable original or copy of his vault birth certificate -- as would be expected of a minimum-wage security guard, as a prerequisite to his employment -- I will NOT consider him as President of the United States.
If ALL three branches of government allow this to pass I can only conclude that the Government has become corrupt -- perhaps in the hands of a foreign or seditious power.
In that case -- Constitution in hand -- I will look to the framers of OUR constitution for guidance.
"If there is anything which it is the duty of the whole people to never entrust to any hands but their own -- that thing is the preservation of their own liberties and institutions." - Abraham Lincoln
"The people of the United States are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." - Abraham Lincoln
"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson
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How many have had the opportunity to even know this situation exists?
“How many in the US Armed Forces feel as the two of you do?”
Count me in as one.
He's an idiot who will vote with whomever yells at him the loudest.
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Actually, I do not think so ...
Look at Bush v. Gore - a slam dunk 14th Amendment case.
It COULD have been a straight 5-4 decision, with Breyer, Ginsberg, Souter, and Stevens dissenting ...
This would have “weakened” the validity of the ruling in many a citizen's mind ...
As it was, it was a 7-2 decision - with only Ginsberg and Stevens dissenting.
Breyer and Souter chose the Constitution over ideology ... when they could have had “cover” from the wrath of the “left”.
If SCOTUS should take the case(s):
The cases involving Obama’s BC are simple - verify the BC, if he can't, he is out ...
The cases questioning Obama’s “natural born” citizenship and purported dual nationality are more problematic ...
It SCOTUS were to rule that a dual national is a “natural born” citizen:
A situation MIGHT arise in the future where alien residents in the U.S. could have a child and raise him in private to be a sort of “Manchurian Candidate” with an ideology adverse to the U.S., while grooming him in public to be POTUS ...
You might say that this proposition is crazy ... but then again, who thought 7 years ago that hijackers armed with box cutters could take down the WTC towers?
OTOH, if SCOTUS rules that Obama IS NOT a “natural born” citizen, there is a risk of a certain amount of civil unrest - at least for a time ...
I think SCOTUS WILL take the case(s) and SERIOUSLY consider the ramifications ...
Your right RR ...but...
Hannity or Rush or Savage could call for a March on Washington, but they don’t. I think its time to call these rich big shots up and tell them that they need to put their money where their mouth is.
Hell, one thing they could do is fly a blimp over D.C. towing a sign that said “WHERE IS HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE”?
But then if the current President won’t do anything....hummm
David Horowitz, hardly a liberal, is absolutely right on this: the American people get what they want. If they don't get it one way, they'll get it another. In the meantime, we are opening the door to Arnold being the next president.
I agree and I hope so! Keep in mind that Obama failed to answer Berg’s “Writ of Certiorari” and the case in California might be filed with SCOTUS tomorrow (where it represents an actual candidate).
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244
Hmmm ... you think so? 2/3rds of House and Senate? 3/4s of the States?
Hussein must offer proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a natural born citizen. He has been legally challenged. Rather than produce the requisite documents, he has lawyered up like a Mafia Don. He has spent over 800 G’s on three legal firms, and is thumbing his nose at many of the American people’s demands that he satisfy a basic constitutional requirement. He has insulted our intelligence by proffering an obviously fraudulent Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth as proof of his natural born status, despite the criminal ramifications of such actions.
Three presidential candidates have had their constitutional eligibility challenged in the 20th and 21st centuries, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain. All of these men produced the requested documentation for legal analysis. None of them hid behind surrogates and all of them at one time or other addressed the issue in public. None of them relied exclusively on surrogates to speak for them on this matter.
Far more damage will be done to the country if a usurper is allowed to take office, subsequently shown to be ineligible after having signed legislation, initiated ratified treaties, made appointments to US offices, ordered troop movements, only to have all those official acts reversed after the truth comes out. I would rather deal with the riots attendant on keeping him out of office than face a civil war. That war will not be a War Between the States like our affair in the mid 19th Century, where one faction wanted to secede and leave the Fed Gov intact. Both sides, with the exception of Guerrilla skirmishes in the border states, faced off using Napoleonic era tactics with clearly delineated borders. This conflict would be an intermingled inter and intrastate struggle over who controls the government. It would be ugly and probably brutal beyond belief. We must do all that we can do NOW to prevent such a hideous possibility.
If it is apparent beyond reasonable doubt that Hussein is not a natural born citizen, then we must look to any and all legal and constitutional actions to deny him the presidency. If the constitution of the US is not worth defending against mob rule, then nothing is. If we wish to preserve the republic, than we had best let the chips fall, and then sort them out. By whatever means necessary.
We who value the constitution will not allow the moral emphasis of this argument to be inverted. All this speculation, correct or not; has come about because this lying crypto-marxist thug from the most corrupt environs of leftist Chicago sewer politics has ascended to POTUS-elect status with the willing acquiescence of the MSM. The MSM was hell-bent on concealing this usurper’s background because they wanted him to be elected. Now, in a classic case of blame the messenger, those of us who believe in the constitution are being reviled for insisting that a POTUS comply with a basic requirement that most of us unhesitatingly conform with when seeking a driver’s license.
Ask yourself, what kind of narcissistic, self absorbed individual rends the public tranquility like this when the remedy is so easy for a legitimate candidate? The arrogance and effrontery of this man is breathtaking. The founders knew that they were not natural born citizens, so they had to include language in Art II Sec 1 that exempted THEM. Does this fraud think that he is better than Washington, Madison, Adams, and Jefferson in that sense? Apparently he does, and with the acquiescence of enough people, he will succeed in usurping and corrupting the Executive Branch of government. This situation presents the very real possibility of impelling this great nation beyond a constitutional crisis toward a civil war.
Many decry us for undertaking a hopelessly Quixotic enterprise, doomed to failure. Perhaps so. Therefore, I recall you to a time when a group of men, who were attempting to bring a new vision of liberty and democratic republican governance to the world vowed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that task. Yes, the group of men who were the Founders. I believe that Barack Obama is a unique domestic threat to the republic that they founded that I have never seen before in my lifetime. Hussein is a man who has stated his contempt for a “fundamentally flawed” constitution. I believe that he is prepared, by dint of education and inclination, to destroy or significantly weaken it. He could be our version of Julius Ceasar, a precursor to the end of our Republic, unless we oppose vigorously oppose him NOW before he gets into office. (If he can prove his natural born status, then I will accept that and oppose him on policy being CERTAIN that I will have to owing to his already professed world view)
Finally, consider the implications of a man who would undertake these devious machinations to knowingly assume an office that he has no constitutional claim to, and than to see this same counterfeit president elect take an oath to defend that constitution. I believe that such a man would be willing to impose ANY sort or despotism or tyranny upon us to retain power.
Amen!.....and Amen!
The American people get what they want. Right now, they want Obama. Woe to whomever stands in their way for the moment.
Remember, Prohibition passed pretty quickly because . . . the PEOPLE WANTED IT. And after a while, it didn't take much to repeal it because . . . the PEOPLE WANTED TO GET RID OF IT.
Just like that, in less than 15 years, a constitutional amendment was voted in, then out. And that one was not associated with a person who had just won 60+ million votes.
Wow, way to stand up there for the rule of law. /s. Fortunately, the Constitution doesn't turn on what Americans like or don't like being told. It is the law, not just a finger in the air. If they are upset about their votes not being counted, then they can take it to the DNC and ask them why they screwed their party so royally.
Just like that, in less than 15 years, a constitutional amendment was voted in, then out. And that one was not associated with a person who had just won 60+ million votes.
"Just like that" wasn't even close to six weeks and the 18th Amendment was ultimately ratified by 45 states. An amendment to the Constitution such as the one you described wouldn't happen as things sit at this very second, much less after people find out what type of charlatan Obama really is.
"Well, that would be challenged." Oh, right. And that challenge would end up in the courts and be tied up just like the birth certificate thing was for almost a year.
Seriously, you guys need to give this one up. It's beyond the derangement of Clinton's "Mena cocaine" activities.
"Well, that would be challenged." Oh, right. And that challenge would end up in the courts and be tied up just like the birth certificate thing was for almost a year.
Seriously, you guys need to give this one up. It's beyond the derangement of Clinton's "Mena cocaine" activities
Sigh. These three paragraphs are so absolutely devoid of anything that even resembles the slightest understanding of The Constitution and basic legislative process, that I am not going to waste my time. Good day.
Today at the Supreme Court | 12.8.08
Monday, December 8th, 2008 12:00 am | Ben Winograd | Comments Off | Print This Post
At 10 a.m., the Court will release the remaining orders from the Justices’ private conference last Friday.
This from SCOTUS blog. http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/today-at-the-supreme-court-12808-2/
A good general knows where the battlefield is. It has moved way, way beyond this silly birth certificate. You're still fighting the last battle, let alone the last war.
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