Posted on 11/29/2008 11:17:52 AM PST by Leisler
OK I vote we use whatever city you live in.
IMO its far better to take them out where they live and not where we live.
Well then we had better ask god for some fortitude because we are at war and i intend to help us win.
The off duty officer helped keep him cornered three or four of the local swat team actual killed him.
But on the other hand there are those who have combat experience and those who practice and are gun persons who well take aim and kill those who need it.
Who well be there when it starts who knows the best might be on Vacation or there days off.
I’m a big fan of citizens carrying. Not many would, but enough would.
I’m worried about a Beslan school type situation. Children and liberals. Way too open.
Your arrogance stands in stead for facts.
As I said, “End of argument.”
Go learn about men and about life.
They count on not meeting to much resistance at the start.
But we do know that this happened in a crowded train station & the terrorists were carrying rifles.
We don't know how many police were on the scene or how they were engaged in the scene as it unfolded nor do we know how the police were armed outside of them having 'guns'. Pistols? Shotguns? Rifles? And, I doubt that any of the police were trained snipers.
And, we have only this photographer's story. I'm not sure he can know everything about what every P.O. on the scene may have or may not have done.
Among other names...........
There are several 'types' of Indian police with differing levels of training, duties and capabilities. The cops at the train stations (as the ones being discussed here) are part of what is known as the Railway Police. They are nothing - in terms of arms, capability or even training, like the police/ swat teams I have seen in the NYT Grand Central Station (for example).
I am not even sure these guys even had bullets; basically there are around in a 'here I am' kind of way. Their role - handling petty criminals (pickpockets), sorting out altercations etc.
I still think the cops should have reacted so the criticism is fair; but it may give some context to say that theses guys were like the officials I have seen outside schools in the US directing traffic (forget the term for them). Also most (99%) of cops here have antiquated equipment to begin with.
As for the other types of cops, just want to note that three of Mumbai's top police officers lost their lives leading from the front a few days ago. There are several other kinds of cops.
“What the Indian cops came against was a trained military unit. I doubt most of them had the training to know how to respond.”
What kind of special training is needed?
1. Point frontsight at center of mass.
2. Squeeze trigger until BG drops.
3. Repeat as necessary.
A luxury one can afford only when no one is shooting back.
I can see you’ve been there!
“What kind of special training is needed?”
So I guess we can save all that money we spend training our military. just give em a gun and tell them to squeeze the trigger.
Um, we were talking about a game set in the 1100 and 1200s, and how you defeat the Mongol tactics of the time.
Terrorists are in no way to be considered "special operations forces!" They're armed bozos willing to die just so they can execute Jihad for a murdering pedophile that lived and died 1500 years ago. Jeeze have you ever seen the AQ "training videos?" A group of tango's run room to room in a deserted building somewhere in the middle of nowhere west Pakistan and toss grenades before entering to spray rooms with AK47s on full auto. No coordination, no fluidity, no cover or concealment. Let's just run around and slaughter the sheep! Got news, my IDPA club could smoke 'em!
This is a run up, this change in tactic away from suicide vests to firearms and grenades. This one is coming SOON to a crowded shopping mall near you. The tango that was captured (too chicken to OFF himself before capture like a good little Jihadi) said that the goal was to kill 5000. Easily accomplished in a multi-pronged attack on several packed malls around the country in certain target areas where there already exist sleeper cells. I'll bet this one has been planned since the 2004 election. My guess is that sometime in the next 25 days we're gonna get hit. In exactly this fashion.
Likely results? Well if the terrorists use assault rifles and hand grenades, you'll see the new President take his hand off the Bible or Quiran and sign already passed legislation that will not only ban but confiscate so called Assault Weapons lawfully owned by a lot of Americans. He'll have a mandate and it will take a lot of pressure off him to act in a positive manner on the economy. That operation will allow him to soften the focus on a lot of campaign promises. The eyes of the populace will be focused on those nutty gun owners. I promise you, he'll have 95% of his liberal base and a whole lot of independents (fiscal conservatives, social liberals) standing to back his play.
The wild card? Armed citizens ready to act like the SHEEPDOGS they are. We can dissipate the effects by standing ready to act when the first ALLAH HU AKBAR splits the air and the gunfire follows. The OBAMANATION will have to pause just a little bit if an attack is even partially stymied by armed sheepdogs ready to meet the threat.
Good points.....valid points. This murdering trash was far from a trained paramilitary unit. They were a gang of idiots in a sheep pen as ya suggest !
Here is a PDF version of the Grossman Book excerpt that I have “among others” for free download on my FR homepage.
http://www.commonfolkusingcommonsense.com/files/sheepwolvessheepdogs.pdf
Their rifles were very old bolt action that looked WWI issue.
In the mornings when the crew went to get dynamite and caps
we had to wake them up.
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