Posted on 11/25/2008 2:23:18 PM PST by AAABEST
This is really incredible.
H-S Precision is sells hunting and tactical rifles. Here is a scan from the back cover of their Catalog. Note who did the write-up (circled in yellow):
For the three of you who don't know who Lon Horiuchi is, he's the FBI sniper of Ruby Ridge infamy who murdered Vicki Weaver in cold blood while she was holding her baby.
I'm not sure what H-S was thinking when they decided to hire this despicable thug as a spokesperson, but they are in dire need of remedial correction for this deplorable business decision. No gun decent gun owner/buyer should give them a single dime of their business. For those wishing to contact them, here's the info:
©H-S PRECISION, INC.
1301 TURBINE DRIVE,
RAPID CITY, SD 57703
(605) 341-3006 TEL
(605) 342-8964 FAX
Email: info@hsprecision.com
Wait a minute. How do you know that Horichui's only job was sniper? If so, was he the ONLY one? Of course not. Probably several teams scattered across the country to handle any type of crisis. What does FBI HRT do when they're not rescuing hostages? They train. Part of HRT are dedicated slots for snipers. When they're not shooting for real, they're shooting for score so that they can make that cold shot when it comes. I also notice your words seem to drip venom for the term SNIPER like it's something filthy and disgraceful. You seem to prefer the less menacing term sharpshooter. But in the military, sharpshooter is one step above the bottom rung of plain ol "marksman." Expert is the top rung. Some organizations use "Distinguished Expert." But all of those come from a standard course of fire that any and all soldiers or officers can take on any given day. Snipers universally have to graduate from a school. Who has the premiere school of this nature (outside the military)? Can you spell it? F-B-I.
“Horiuchi successfully petitioned to remove the case to federal court,[4] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[1]”
From wikipedia- I wonder why this wasn’t applicable to the border patrolmen that were given 10 and 12 years in the pen for wounding a drug dealer?
This hostage rescue concept is being constantly abused. I know that there are times when it is legit, but just having teams that train for this puts a strain on human nature. Its just like police “SWAT” teams; they get itchy to use the tactics that they’ve trained for, and often end up overreacting, which leaves people dead when the whole situation could have been adverted with cooler heads.
Your attack on my terms is out of place too. You seem heated up here. I said that I have no qualms about military snipers. The line between the military, and civil law enforcement needs to be bold and deep. Allowing the line to blur is a mistake. Ruby Ridge is an excellent example of why. Those serving on paramilitary teams need to be carefully screened for psychological suitability for that kind of assignment. As you stated, the rules of engagement were amiss at Ruby Ridge, but the problen was exacerbated by the presence of two loose cannons on the team that welcomed the opportunity to run wild.
We don’t need any more “Wacos,” “Ruby Ridges,” or “Move Massacres.”
The dog was shot by a US Marshall. The ensuing gun fight resulted in Sammy Weaver being killed(shot in the back) and US Marshall Billy Degan being killed. Horiuchi was part of the FBI "Hostage Rescue Team". Horiuchi shot Vicki Weaver while holding a baby.
A member of the defense team was interviewed by a NPR reporter after the acquittal of Randy Weaver. That would have been in 1993. I don’t know if there are accessible archives of their radio shows from that era. It was the evening news broadcast.
Interesting that it was a left wing source. There are a few mentions on the Internet without sourcing. It would be nice to nail this story down. Perhaps someone should ask Spence or a member of the Weaver family or Kevin (I forget his last name) that was also charged.
I don't. But if you can't see the difference between a baby and a weapon you shouldn't be in a position to pull the trigger.
Thanks for yer time.....I will try and find it and ping ya when I get a good link.
Thanks for that information......
In my last post I didn't mention the military once. We both agree on that.
The line between the military, and civil law enforcement needs to be bold and deep. Allowing the line to blur is a mistake.
I agree with this in principle, but the fact is that most sniper's in law enforcement have military experience and nowadays most will have experience pulling triggers in battle. That is an experience that is nearly impossible to divorce oneself from.
Ruby Ridge is an excellent example of why. Those serving on paramilitary teams need to be carefully screened for psychological suitability for that kind of assignment.
Of course they are. I think the problem is that so many are needed and the supply of supermen is critically low. It's also an unfortunate fact that the traits that make a good sniper are kind of scarce in mere mortals, especially the types of civilians who tend to score well on police psychological tests.
As you stated, the rules of engagement were amiss at Ruby Ridge, but the problen was exacerbated by the presence of two loose cannons on the team that welcomed the opportunity to run wild.
Agreed, but the oversight should be on the people who DIRECT the snipers, because when it's time; when the green light comes; it's no time to be second guessing oneself.
We don’t need any more “Wacos,” “Ruby Ridges,” or “Move Massacres.”
Agreed.
The "Move massacre?" Was that the one where the cops firebombed a whole city block in Detroit or Philly?
Are you a military sniper? If you are we need you. Police snipers as well If they have discipline. Horiuchi didn't posses any of that discipline.
He made a few drawings that prove otherwise. He was a hot shot trying to prove something to himself.
Anyway, back in the old days, I qualified expert on durn near everything available to the infantry soldier in 1983. I'd have loved to go to sniper school. Too bad it was army policy that commissioned officers like me didn't do stuff like that.
I'm certain you're correct. There was a glimmer of hope that he could be straightened out by the State of Idaho when they indicted him for Ruby Ridge. But when his FBI Masters helped him slip out of the noose, his soul was lost.
Hell.I'm pushing Fifty six. I feel pretty good. What issues do you have? Not trying to be nosey mind you.
We have border guards who are in prison for shooting at an armed drug smuggler and yet this child killer is not only free, he is some sort of celebrity! What is their advertising slogan? “9 out of 10 child killers prefer our rifles”? Or perhaps, “One child, one shot, one kill”?
With this news, my company will no longer offer HS Precision stocks on our rifles. To our customers, we apologize for this inconvenience but we will not flex our standards downward in any way.
Lon Horiuchi is one of the reasons we will not sell to the FBI or BATFE. We will not do business with any company that publically deals with Mr. Horiuchi nor Mr. Horiuchi himself.
Mike
This has to be one of the dumbest public relation moves in history. Unbelevable. What were they thinking? Seriously...no more HS products for me...ever.
Yes, in Philly.
One of law enforcements sorriest moments.
Good for you. If all those in the business were like you, we’d see a lot less of these big names making stupid moves like this.
That said, most gun industry VIPs are usually pretty careful not to get stupid on their customer base. Although there are millions and millions of gun owners, it can become a pretty small world at times, and news spreads fast.
Is it Lon...or Ron?
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