Posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL
This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.
The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.
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Chapman was paid by the Rolling Stones, who feared that the Beatles might have a reunion. /s
Do you notice when I post videos, forensics, pictures, etc., debunking the easily dismissed theories I never get an answer back. Not even, thanks, that was interesting, I’ll have to re-think this, or even a disputation?
Oops, I knew that, just typing too fast, they both fall into the same nerdy/creepy category, interchangable. lol
You are wrong about that. If there is irrefutable evidence that LHO was the lone shooter, I’d be happy to see it. Facts can make me change my mind.
It’s true that I’m talking about impressions from watching what happened all those years ago. So, you are correct that I have very little idea what actually happened or how.
I’ve had only a cursory interest in discussions of the assassination since the Warren Report.
Yet it's amazing to see people blindly accept this after the ‘MSM’ performance this year in the presidential election. They can create any perception they like, though what they did this year will cost them more than they can bare in creditability in the end.
Jim Garrison along with Fletcher Prouty I believe got the closest to the truth early on. Garrison's jury wasn't sure if Clay Shaw was guilty, but they (American Citizens) all agreed that he proved conspiracy in JFK assassination.
A close friend of LHO in New Orleans in 1963 wrote an ‘in depth’ book about him which differs greatly from the MSM depiction of him. He was an informant for the ‘street level’ Intel, Mob, Cuban activities to the govt. He was slated to do a mission in Cuba, but was put on hold waiting for orders while he worked at the Book Depository.
At this point in time the 20 or so conspirators have been listed by name in the book Regicide (See Regicide Amazon).
In 2003 the History Channel aired 3 new episodes of the ‘Men Who Killed Kennedy’ series which focused on LBJ, a friend of LHO, and the JFK Limo and Cosmetic Surgery info. The episodes and DVD sales were halted just the like the Path to 911 series special!
That last ten years have brought Mob revelations that they were there at the assassination to ‘supervise’ the event on the street level.
The MSM reply to all this information?
All of the conspiracy revelations and sources have no creditability, and all the witnesses supporting the Warren Commission are!
Could you link that JFK documentary, or tell more about it - title, where it was aired, etc.,? I’d like to have my doubts put to rest, as well, about the single shooter.
Look at my post 42 for the first computer re-creation done on Dealey Plaza.
The Kennedy Assasination: Beyond Conspiracy by ABC concludes Oswald the lone shooter by using modern forensics. The Discovery special came to the same conclusion.
You also have 3 good books, Case Closed by Posner, A Simple Act of Murder by Mark Fuhrman, and the newest one by Vincent Bugliosi.
Conspiracy theorists should be forced to watch those specials and read those books before they come on here and other message boards and make total a$$es out of themsleves.
You can’t just read conspiracy books by nuts, left wingers and profiteers and trot out those “facts”, you need to look at BOTH SIDES.
I’ve seen and read tons of stuff on both sides and I’m 100% positive that Oswald Killed Kennedy. The evidence is just as overwhelming as O.J. Simpson if you take the time to look at it.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Here’s a site that debunks a lot of stuff. Read my posts and watch the videos I posted on this thread.
Jim Garrison was a moonbat of the highest order.
Oswald is every bit as guilty as O.J. Simpson, if you bother to cut through all the clutter.
Go to youtube and search “inside the target car” you will see excerpts from the discovery channel. Look at my links on this thread to other videos that point to Oswald and debunk many famous “theories” like the “magic” bullet, the “pristine” bullet and the shot had to come from the front.
The final shot HAD TO COME FROM BEHIND, small entry, big exit wound spewing the brain and tissue matter pulled from the bullet. Kennedy’s head moving back after the shot from behind is 100% pure physics. Kennedy’s head did everything a human head would do when shot from BEHIND. Look at the second video in my post 42.
All right, LucyJo. I’ll take a chance and show you exactly how Oswald killed Kennedy and it’s not based on the Warren Commision Conclusion. I’ll post it when I find it in a few minutes. It will be based on the film and other photographs that were not faked like the Theorists BS.
See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where the computer operators want them to be, using the Zapruder film as a 'guideline'..
The computer model and the actual film do not line up.. The model is a supposition, an altered view made in order to 'prove' the single bullet theory.
The single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder..
- Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government cult benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.
Irrefutable evidence base on photographic images, doctor’s reports and sworn testimony.
The first bullet missed and hit a curb. Ten year old Rosemary Willis stops running alongside the motorcade to watch Oswald shooting from the Sixth Floor[Zapruder Film - Frame 160]. The bullet fragments or concrete hit a man named James Tague who was standing near the underpass. That bullet or fragments were never found.
The second bullet traveled 2000 fps to hit the president 5 1/2inches [14 Centimeters]below the Mastoid Process[there’s a picture of the hole and the ruler The bullet wound also exhibited a Halo Effect which is a ring around a typical high speed bullet entrance wound], it hit no bones and exited out his neck[1772 to 1,779 feet per second] clipping his tie[photos of the tie]. It traveled 28 inches away[trajectory report]to hit Connelly near the right armpit[Doctor’s report] clipping his rib[Doctor’s report]and keyholed out his chest leaving a 2 inch by 1/2 inch wound [Doctor’s report]. Connelly’s label moves outward. [Zapruder film – Frame 224] At this point it had only hit one bone and is now flying sideways when it hit the wrist [3/4 inch wound] and buries itself in a shallow wound[very little soft tissue damage,[Doctor’s report] in the thigh leaving an amount of lead in the thigh. The amount of lead in the wrist and the bullet add up to the original weight of 161 grains which is the same amount of the bullets from the Western Ammunition Company. Connelly had a broken rib bone and wrist bone. {Doctor’s report]. Cloth from his clothing was found in his wrist.
The third bullet hit Kennedy in the back of the head toward the right side forcing his head to move forward by approximately two inches[Zapruder Film –Frame 313]. The bullet broke into two pieces at the bullet’s cannelure. One piece cracked the inside of the windshield near the mirror. The second fragment hit the chrome strip at the top of the windshield. There are photographs in evidence of the crack and the dent. The two pieces were found at the front of the limousine, one on the floorboard and the other on the seat. The Zapruder film shows Kennedy’s head moving approximately two to three inches forward at the moment of impact. The photographs of Kennedy’s head and skull show a small entrance hole and a large exit hole. Cratering of the hole at the back of the skull is typical of entrance holes. [Autopsy Report]
No shot from the knoll is possible due to the close proximity of the people on the sidewalk, the tragectories and the fact Zapruder himself filmed part of the picket fence with no one there.
The man in the railroad tower testified there were only two men near the fence and that was on the street side. One was the Groundskeeper.
There were two police officers on the railroad bridge along with railroad workers on their lunch break. There were allowed to stay because all were on RR property.
Last but not least. Zapruder filmed the entire clip standing on a post with his secretary. ZAPRUDER WAS FILMING FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL.
Thank you, I’ll do that.
Thank you. I appreciate your time and effort.
Meaning the goal is to generate confusion in the case, and discredit witnesses who mostly had excellent reputations, and didn't support the official cover-up.
What happened to Jim Garrison is exactly what happened to Sarah Palin.
To prove my point, go back and read MSM articles about Garrison before the assassination and Clay Shaw trial. Garrison only became a ‘wacko’ after he decided to investigate! Read about Dorothy Killgalen who got the story from Ruby.
Now fast forward to this years election. Go to google news and read MSM articles about Palin dated prior to JULY 2008 back through 2006. They were complimentary of her back then.
Fletcher Prouty had an excellent record of service to his country until he came out on JFK, strange huh?
***"Here’s a site that debunks a lot of stuff."***
Not exactly where they “want” them to be, EXACTLY WHER THEY WERE, using the Zapruder film and the ACTUAL CAR, the car wasn’t blown up after the assasination.
Facts and forensics are not a “cult”, using modern forensics proves Oswald was the shooter.
Dealey Plaza is still there how does the computer model “not line up”?
The Zapruder film is still in use, how does the computer model “not line up”?
The car shows that the “magic bullet” nuts were wrong because they didn’t accurately show how the men were seated in the ACTUAL car.
The actual car has been re-created in the computer model, how does using the actual car “not line up”?
We don’t have to agree that Oswald was the lone assasin, just like we don’t have to all agree that O.J. Simpson committed 2 murders, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove both.
We don’t have to agree that Islamic Terrorists were responsible for 9/11 even though there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they did.
You can believe what you want, as for me, I’m 100% sure of the guilt of Oswald, OJ, and Islamic Terrorists.
Watch the videos and read my posts on this thread to debunk many popular myths about the JFK assassination. What’s your theory about JFK?
Liar. The computer simulation is based on a highway program for laying out structures. The simulation is accurate within thousandths of an inch.
Kennedy’s head was at a right angle to the picket fence so your theory claims a bullet had to travel toward Kennedy, circle around his head and hit from behind.
Your theory says the bullet that hit Connelly had to travel around his body, enter, exit and then pull his lapel outward and then hit his thigh.
You know nothing about tragectories, ballistics, rifles or bullets.
WHY DID ALL YOUR BULLETS DISAPPEAR? MAGIC?
I think you may want to research Fletcher Prouty a bit more before you defend him, like the wacky things that came out of his mouth, not what other people said about him. Same for Jim Garrison.
So debunking theories with evidence, photographs and documented facts is “Intel, disinformation”.
By those standards, nothing is true, anything can be disinformation, it depends what the meaning of “is” is, etc. That is deconstruction on your part, you can dismiss any evidence pointing to Oswald as “disinformation”, what is real information and what is “disinformation”?
All of the evidence points to Oswald, all of the conspiracy theories contradict each other. This is the most investigated crime in the history of civilization and STILL the evidence points to Oswald. Tell me what you think happened 11/22/63.
Based on my research McAdams is pure disinformation using ‘disinformation’ of all kinds, and not the only one that does this.
My recommendation to research JFK would be the approach that was shown in the ‘Perry Mason’ TV series. The methods of investigation that the Mason character used to find the truth. Meaning for starters all the witnesses would have been called unlike the WC did. There were countless witnesses especially around the railroad yard/Knoll who the WC simply did not call. And the WC flipped witnesses who did not support the pre-fabricated line!
Take a look at the case that John Adams represented in the British soldiers firing on the colonists.
The length Adams went to get witness accounts of the event is what it took to find the truth, otherwise the soldiers would have been hung for the killings.
This kind of investigating did not happen in the JFK case as far as the Mainstream Media & Govt is concerned.
When Pearl Harbor & FDR were questioned it was the Govt & WWII veterans who investigated.
In the JFK assassination it was the ‘people’ who continued to investigate because of the poor job of the MSM/Govt.
So, some of the investigating public might be off but the majority of private researchers have done an excellent job finding the truth.
At this point my opinion would be LHO was certainly a patsy, and did not do the crime. As far as the assassination goes I believe it was ‘Intel’ planned, and delegated to the Mob/Cuban/Intel street community including foreign help contracted by the Mob.
See the frame by frame computer model with Kennedy and Connelly positioned exactly where the computer operators want them to be, using the Zapruder film as a 'guideline'.. The computer model and the actual film do not line up.. The model is a supposition, an altered view made in order to 'prove' the single bullet theory.
Not exactly where they “want” them to be, EXACTLY WHER THEY WERE, using the Zapruder film and the ACTUAL CAR, the car wasn’t blown up after the assasination. Dealey Plaza is still there how does the computer model “not line up”?
You cannot overlay the film with the model.. -- The model was constructed in a computer, and does not show what happened in the film, - it shows what the operators theorize.
The single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder.. - Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government cult benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.
Facts and forensics are not a “cult”, using modern forensics proves Oswald was the shooter.
Facts and 'modern' forensics do not prove Oswald was the shooter, no more than did the Warren Report.
The car shows that the “magic bullet” nuts were wrong because they didn’t accurately show how the men were seated in the ACTUAL car. The actual car has been re-created in the computer model, how does using the actual car “not line up”?
The actual car and occupants are shown in the actual film.. The computer 're-creation' does not show that reality.
We don’t have to agree that Oswald was the lone assasin, just like we don’t have to all agree that O.J. Simpson committed 2 murders, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove both. We don’t have to agree that Islamic Terrorists were responsible for 9/11 even though there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they did. You can believe what you want, as for me, I’m 100% sure of the guilt of Oswald, OJ, and Islamic Terrorists. Watch the videos and read my posts on this thread to debunk many popular myths about the JFK assassination. What’s your theory about JFK?
My theory is that the single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder..
- Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government cult benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.
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