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"Yes We Can . . . Ban Guns"--Obama Announces Gun Ban Agenda Before The Final Vote Count Is In
National Rifle Association ^ | November 07, 2008 | NRA-ILA

Posted on 11/09/2008 2:44:27 AM PST by Perseverando

Senator Barack Obama's presidential campaign slogan, "the audacity of hope," should have instead been "the audacity of deceit." After months of telling the American people that he supports the Second Amendment, and only hours after being declared the president-elect, the Obama transition team website announced an agenda taken straight from the anti-gun lobby--four initiatives designed to ban guns and drive law-abiding firearm manufacturers and dealers out of business:

"Making the expired federal assault weapons ban permanent." Perhaps no other firearm issue has been more dishonestly portrayed by gun prohibitionists. Notwithstanding their predictions that the ban's expiration in 2004 would bring about the end of civilization, for the last four years the nation's murder rate has been lower than anytime since the mid-1960s. Studies for Congress, the Congressional Research Service, the National Institute of Justice, the National Academy of Sciences, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have found no evidence that gun prohibition or gun control reduces crime. Guns that were affected by the ban are used in only a tiny fraction of violent crime-about 35 times as many people are murdered without any sort of firearm (knives, bare hands, etc.), as with "assault weapons." Obama says that "assault weapons" are machine guns that "belong on foreign battlefields," but that is a lie; the guns are only semi-automatic, and they are not used by a military force anywhere on the planet.

"Repeal the Tiahrt Amendment." The amendment--endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police--prohibits the release of federal firearm tracing information to anyone other than a law enforcement agency conducting a bona fide criminal investigation. Anti-gun activists oppose the restriction, because it prevents them from obtaining tracing information and using it in frivolous lawsuits against law-abiding firearm manufacturers. Their lawsuits seek to obtain huge financial judgments . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nraila.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2ndamendment; abuhussein; audacity; audacityofdeceit; banglist; bho2008; brady; cnsf; communist; confiscation; democrat; guns; legaltheft; lp; manthebarricades; marxist; nra; obama
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To: Perseverando

There is a easy pay plan for lifetime membership at the NRA site. You pay $25 now, and each quarter until you hit the $1000.00 lifetime member fee.

Every one of us should do this now.


121 posted on 11/09/2008 9:14:37 AM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
Ex-post facto prohibitions did not stop the prohibition of anyone who had ever been convicted of an act of domestic violence from being prohibited a firearm, even if the conviction was decades prior to the prohibition.

While Constitutionally, I feel you are correct, these people have no intent of going by the Constitution, only forcing their agendae around it. They view it as an obstacle to be overcome, not a valid and just limitation of governmental power.

122 posted on 11/09/2008 9:16:57 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Feckless

Anyone ever read the story about hunting aliens with a homemade device and shotgun shells?

I’ve gotta read that again. Imagine if aliens did come to get us...


123 posted on 11/09/2008 9:36:43 AM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Quickgun

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
—Thomas Jefferson

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government.”

Thomas Jefferson


124 posted on 11/09/2008 9:41:43 AM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Perseverando
Interesting... If you go to the NRA link, and click on the link with the key word "agenda" in the first paragraph, it takes you to the Obamination site with the following massage:

"The page you requested is not available right now."

The NRA putting the spot light on it must have been too much for them. The Rats are running for cover.

125 posted on 11/09/2008 9:46:17 AM PST by Barnacle (God help us.)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Still posted here:

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/


126 posted on 11/09/2008 9:48:48 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: scan59

ping


127 posted on 11/09/2008 9:50:46 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: Pelagius of Asturias
In order for the ATF to make a data base of firearm owners, they would have to visit every retailer in the US and copy every transaction made since 1968.

I believe that all 4473's are given to ATF when a dealer gets out of the busuness. That would have been about 75% of them in Clinton's day...many more will follow if taxes on firearms, fees to maintain FFL's, make stayng in busuness more difficult.

128 posted on 11/09/2008 10:14:56 AM PST by gundog (We shall overcome.)
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To: ladyvet

Nice photo. Did you see Meet the Press this morning? Brokejaw was interviewing Obama’s #2 on the transition team. She said something to the effect that “...when Obama begins to rule...” Kinda creepy.


129 posted on 11/09/2008 10:20:23 AM PST by gundog (We shall overcome.)
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To: gundog
I had to turn the channel, I thought I was going to puke. Funny how the media has always called pres. Bush just “Bush”. And this guy is known as “President Elect Obama”, if they were really honest they would call him king in waiting.
130 posted on 11/09/2008 10:31:28 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Joe Brower
Is anyone surprised by this? I would have expected the same thing from McCain...being the NRA C+/GOA F candidate he was.

Anyone who hasn't prepared yet, had better do it now...just be ready to pay an arm and a leg.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

131 posted on 11/09/2008 10:45:03 AM PST by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Not only is it easy for ATF to break the law, they already have. The ATF is known to have ignored the part of the law that says that they have to delete the information after 24 hours. They have kept ALL of the NICS check data - in fact, IIRC, the Republican Congress cut their funds because of this. That didn’t make the ATF stop, of course.

My point is that they *know* you have at least one gun, or have reason to believe you do, as it sounds like you have a C&R FFL. No point in not continuing with the permit process.


132 posted on 11/09/2008 10:58:40 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gundog

Yup.

And high speed document scanners have been around for quite a while now.


133 posted on 11/09/2008 11:09:13 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: gundog

It would be a huge task to have all of the 4473s put in a database so that they can be searched. It can be done; the government will have access to all our money.

I can’t speak for everyone, but I have moved twice since I purchased my last firearm from a licensed dealer. I moved once from another state and the other time I did not give my new address to the Postal Service. My local government does not know if I own a firearm.

A single firearm can be traced, but it takes legwork involving sending an agent to the retailer who sold the firearm so that the 4473s can be examined. What Obama wants is a computer database so that by using the firearm’s serial number and manufacturer, the retail purchaser can be immediately identified plus having instant access to that person’s purchase history. That is what Tiahrt Amendment prohibits and we should fight its repeal tooth and nail. The ability to abuse a government database is easy, just ask ole Joe da Plumber.


134 posted on 11/09/2008 11:12:11 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: Spktyr

A scanned 4473, written by hand, is just a picture, jpeg, bitmap, or tiff; it cannot be searched. Database entry is a manual operation.


135 posted on 11/09/2008 11:18:12 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Um.... They’ve had good handwriting recognition via OCR for over a decade now; acceptable recognition for almost 20 years. How do you think the IRS processes handwritten tax forms these days? I had a short term contract in an IRS processing center six years ago and even then the OCR was usually good enough to read 95% of handwritten returns.


136 posted on 11/09/2008 11:21:19 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

The last page of a dealer’s 4473 book I looked at I could not read. Does this software recognize cursive writing?


137 posted on 11/09/2008 11:24:48 AM PST by Pelagius of Asturias
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To: LilRhody
Just joined NRA, GOA, 2nd Amendment Foundation. Hubby is lifetime member of NRA also. I think my kids might sign up also.

Bless you, FRiend- it's money well spent.

138 posted on 11/09/2008 11:28:30 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Sunset of America...)
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Six years ago, it could, with ease. Remember, the big problem for OCR has been the available processing power and that hasn’t been a problem for a while. You can avoid it with clever algorithms, but you can brute force it with more power.

Heck, in 1996, Apple had a commercial PDA that could read cursive writing - specifically mine, which humans have problems reading. The government had a “brute force” solution long before that.


139 posted on 11/09/2008 11:28:46 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Joe Brower; All
Joe, we are going to be in the fight of our lives- I recommend everyone download and study this:

Gun Facts v4.2!

Click the pic to go to the Gun Facts v4.2 download page!

Gun Facts is a free E-book, indexed, sourced, and referenced for easy use countering the disinformation and spin we are going to see soon.

140 posted on 11/09/2008 11:33:36 AM PST by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Sunset of America...)
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