Barack Obama Birth Certificate is not real.

Various, Factcheck.org and snarkybites | 11/6/8 | Demosthenes

[Demosthenes]

Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.

Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.

A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.

Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.

This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg

This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.

Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.

Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.

An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.

They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.

This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.

How very convenient.

Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?

Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.

His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.

Why hide it, Mr. Obama?

What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?

[hoosiermama]

Davis filed for it under the freedom of information act. Think it will be determined soon, but can’t remember the date.

[hoosiermama]

Fraud is part of the Berg SCOTUS action.

Also Perjury (He stated and signed that the only name he had ever used was BHO) Berg has at least six AKA in the lawsuit.

[Gay State Conservative]

Was discussed on a previous thread. IIRC the person or a relative of the person is the only one with access to the original (Became law to stop ID theft)......

As I said earlier I have some knowledge on this subject and states have had laws regulating access to "vital records" for a long time...long before anyone even heard of "identity theft".Yes,it could be true that Hawaii just recently changed their laws.In Massachusetts,for example,anyone can *still* walk into state offices and get a copy of *anyone's* vital record...except adoption records.No need to show ID or anything.Also,here,until a few years ago you could bring a Mass license plate number into any DMV office and get the owner's name and address.That stopped when it was learned that stalkers were using this method.I think it was after a woman was murdered.

Regardless of how Hawaii's laws read,osama's records should be open *at least* to the press and the RNC.

[Quickgun]

Remember, the military are our sons and daughters. Yes, they will support us.

[hoosiermama]

That was on the Legal (federal) Document he signed to be a member of the Barr is Illinois.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

My only consideration is this.

If (and I am saying IF because we do not know) Obama was adopted by Soetoro his original Certificate of Live Birth is sealed by the court just as in any other adoption. Not even Obama could get access to it.

So for the sake of this discussion assume that there was a legal adoption:
His legal name was Soetoro.

After he became of age he could have filed for a legal name change as well as a corrected birth certificate. However, his parents would still be listed as Lolo and Stanley Ann.

That is a good indicator as to whether or not the ones put forth by the campaign are fakes. Adoptions are not overturned by the courts just because the adoptee is of age.

I trust obama as far as I can throw him, but every possibility needs to be explored.

[hoosiermama]

It will be unsealed when it is presented as evidence in court.

[DJ MacWoW]

U.S. Constitution, Amendment 20, Section 3:

Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

[TXBlair]

If the Electoral College were to throw Obama out as a candidate, then he wouldn’t be president, so perhaps the rule of handing it on down to the VP might not apply

That's my thought. Let's face it, if Obama were proven a fraud and ineligible to have been running in the first place, wouldn't that nullify his selection of Biden as VP? If he were running illegally, how could his pick of VP be upheld as legal if he were in no position to make the pick in the first place? Ya know? A LEGIT candidate might have selected someone other than Biden. (A legit candidate with a BRAIN most certainly would have, at any rate.)

[BerryDingle]

“Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” — US Declaration of Independence

Honestly, I’m TIRED of one set of rules applying to the common-folk and not to the ‘powerful’ (Uberrich, political, or whatever). I thought JUSTICE was blind...

Agree. Considering everyone in federal office now, I think they are going to let nature take it's course. As far as the media, they will eventually realize that Barack Obama cannot be picked up by the "clean end".

[hoosiermama]

You will enjoy reading the court documents presented by Berg. They clear up many of the questions here.

WWW.obamacrimes.com

Click on previous items.

One of the documents mentioned is the school enrollment form in Indonesia...

[Chief Engineer]

Hawaii in 1961 had different listings for race on birth certificates than the rest of the U.S. According to what I read last night if the child had two different race parents then the race or national origin of the father was listed on the birth certificate. Obama Sr was African hence the designation of “African”. Gov. Lingle didn’t seal the records for Jr, the Department of Health did according to a report in “The Honolulu Advertiser” last week. The clever use of semantics still has people wondering as the reporter who wrote the story advised “that the State of Hawaii has verified that Obama Jr was born in Hawaii” but this is not what the reps said. They said there was a file for Jr which doesn’t mean much considering how lax Hawaii is regarding registrations of birth up to a year after birth and foreign births can be registered in Hawaii if the parent was a resident of Hawaii for a year.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

The other thing to consider is this

If (again a great big IF) the document put out by the campaign is real it means contrary to everything we have been told—Obama was never adopted by Soetoro.

You just cannot change a parent’s name on a birth certificate on a whim. So why the big lie about being adopted?

Either way, something is not right.
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[DJ MacWoW]

In 1961 it wouldn’t have said African for race. They still used “colored” or Negro”.

[Windflier]

I find the font rather interesting for 1963 Arial not Times Roman aka typewriter. Hmmmmm, Hawaii must have had PCs and laser printers long before they were invented.

Oh. My. God. I hadn't even noticed that. There is no way that this document is real. I haven't looked at the other purported "copy" yet, but I'll bet dollars to donuts, it's got the same error.

Dan Rather Redux! The pajamahadeen does it again!

From this point forward, I am going to make the COLB issue my lead argument against Obama.

Every patriot needs to hammer on this issue, with everyone they speak with, until the pressure and exposure forces Obama, the Supreme Court, or the congress to prove his eligibility once and for all.

[hoosiermama]

Stanly Ann was never married to Sr. He already had a wife in Africa (Married the third one later) He had three wives simultaneously....It's the faith ya know.

SO even if she went through a ceremony in HI I don't think they would be legally married.

IIRC in Indonesia a man does not formally go through an adoption procedure. He just states this child belongs to me, and assumes parenthood.

Their is documentation in Berg's challenge for an adult or BO himself legally changing his name (two or three time). Six names Plus (male Child):
Barry/Barack Durham, Soetoro & Obama

Their is also a charge of perjury because he state on his application for law license that he has never gone by another name.

[Gay State Conservative]

Just checked the State of Hawaii website.It said that the general public is not allowed access to an individual's vital records unless it's the person to whom the record applies and a few other types of people (mostly relatives).It also specifically states that only those who can get an official copy of a record can even get an acknowledgment that a record even exists.So,in other words,if a reporter from CNN or the Chairman of the RNC were to walk into the state office in Honolulu and ask either for a copy of Osama's COLB or simply confirmation that one exists that individual would,under Hawaii law,walk away with *nothing*...not even a confirmation.

One would think that Osama could consent to those restrictions be waived in his case....if he wanted to.

[Eagle50AE]

Exactly... Something is not right !

Let's remember that today, less than 48 hours after “Election”. o was privy to a United States National Security Briefing ..

Why the big rush to spill out our most secure information...??

Why no return trip to Hawaii ?

Why NO media coverage except to Bash Palin ?

[hiho hiho]

One word missing from this tread — HILLARY!

The ultimate Clinton victory — blame Republicans for destroying Oboma — Hillary as Biden’s VP — Biden having to step down (or Arkanside) — BC as Supreme Court justice ...