Posted on 11/05/2008 11:30:22 AM PST by neverdem
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“He knows damn well the next four years will not merely be interesting. They will be damaging.
As for Thatchers observation, it is proving out. There is no turning back.”
Yep.
The mechanisms we have to “form an equivalent group” will very quickly be shut down by the new order. This will be their most important priority.
Gotta commend Derbyshire for hitting the nail on the head here.
Some of us aren't too disappointed because we were never Republicans in the first place.
“The GOP is not an effective advocate for Conservatism.”
humor by understatement, I presume?
"I supported George W. Bush in 2000 because I thought he had a conservative bone in his body somewhere. I supported him in 2004 because I thought him the lesser of two evils. At this point, I wouldnt let the fool park his car in my driveway."
That was the extent of Bush being mentioned. He may have been harsh in his comment, but if we can't be honest, we're doomed. Cinderella, if the shoe fits, wear it. RINO compassionate conservatism has been an abysmal failure. Our gains in foreign affairs and national security are about to be tossed away. Obama's ideas threaten our economy in too many ways to count. Social security and Medicare/Medicaid funding are a bad joke.
Bush not deserve some of the blame...
No kidding.
Of coure he does.
He proved that he is an establishment mainline tool - not the independent strong conservative we needsd and wanted.
He neglected his conservative base and kowtowed to the liberal elites time and again. I am sure we can enumerate those instances.
I guess somehow you missed the meaning of the title.
John nails it.
NAILED IT.
That was my take.
Exactly. This don't discuss politics in public has left the left in charge of of the discussion.
Not to worry, this shallow, ignorant, self-obsessed man will surround himself with 'deep thinkers', as Thomas Sowell likes to call them, who'll translate his leftist infantilism into destructive policy measures.
I've been thinking the same thing. It works for the left because they use lies, half-truths, logical fallacies, infiltration, selective disregard of the law, legal intimidation/extortion, and union thuggery.
If we adopt these tactics, we aren't conservatives.
How so? What am I missing? The title is quite appropriate. Government/statism became bigger for what good?
--Eight years ago I was known to make the comment that given the portion of the voting public interested in personal responsibility, freedom of choices and any of the other qualities prized by the founding fathers, that George W. Bush was -at best-only a bump on the road the nation was on, the road leading over a precipice.
--unfortunately , he wasn't much of a bump.
However, we can console ourselves that the last eight years weren't under a Kerry or a Gore---
GWB has not, in 8 years, ever been considered the leader of our party or of the conservative movement. He has governed in many admirable ways (WOT, tax reduction), but I wonder if these have been nullified by his presiding over the exhorbitant growth of federal power, including the prescription drug fiasco. Unfortunately for us he inherited too much of his political ideology from his father, not Ronald Reagan. As far as the WOT, he has been a true leader, all things considered. IMHO
There's no time like the present. Who likes No Child Left Behind? All it did was dumb down the various tests in the states. Medicare Part D wasn't enough. Karl Rove's hopes fell flat.
Forgive me ... but Reagan is the only exception in that list. He was clearly cut from different from different cloth than the "conservatives" of today.
Gingrich is very much an exemplar of "the rule." When it came down to it, Gingrich's Contract for America was nothing more than a campaign tactic that was quickly discarded once it became apparent that Gingrich had neither the political ability nor the political power to carry it out. Bill Clinton beat Gingrich half to death with the Contract, and then used the resultant momentum to win re-election in '96.
It doesn't mean that the principles embodied by the Contract are wrong -- they're not; but the actual results of trying to apply the Contract show that Conservatives really don't know what to do with them.
There are two issues here, both of which we conservatives need to address.
The first is that, despite what the Contract said, "conservatism" has no clear meaning; but at the same time the public has gained a perception of conservatism that is quite unfavorable. Much of that is our own fault -- there are no Reagans among the current crop of "spokesmen for conservatism;" those who step forward, are prone to feeding red meat to an already oppositional media.
The second is strategy and tactics. We've GOT to behave differently.
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