Lawsuits Starting Across Nation to Require Barack Obama to Provide Certification of Birth in U.S.

The People's Passions ^ | Steve Marquis

[glassylassie]

I think this little snippet of his Columbia speech is pretty funny given his reluctance for his own transparancy.

“And to say to young people, to say to young people, even as we’re transforming Washington, come on, we want you. We want you to get involved at every level. And by the way, you don’t even have to join government. Part of what we’re going to do is create transparency and accountability in how government works so that you can be an active citizen holding your public servants and elected officials accountable. That’s one other aspect of citizenship is paying attention to what’s taking place.”

http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2008/09/11/transcript-servicenation-presidential-forum-at-columbia-university/

[ridesthemiles]

My first fuess would be none- but we are talking about Nobama here.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" How's this for a scenario:
Just days before the election, the courts declare Obama ineligible because he is not a natural born U.S. citizen. "

The DNC, Obama's , and the main stream media's credibility will be so severely damaged at that point that even Hillary would not take it or win, and McCain would win... those are my thoughts.

[combat_boots]

Judge for yourself. It could be coincidence.

Where are the chess pieces and what is two/three moves down?

“A Crisis Might Be Coming. What is in the Works? Everyone Keep Your Eyes and Ears Open, We Need to Know Everything Right Now! Top military leaders just met too, I wonder if it is connected”
http://www.loosechange911.com/blog/

Testing of Martial Law in Arkansas:

http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/west%20helena%20arkansas%20martial%20law/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true

Pelosi declared Martial Law to get the bailout bill voted on:
http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/results/Web/youtube%20pelosi%20declared%20martial%20law/1/417/TopNavigation/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true

[ridesthemiles]

But- Ballota are already printed, etc.
She also would have problems, IMO.

[Tammy8]

You are right, the Constitution does not forbid dual citizenship.

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/dual_citizenship.html

I don’t know why that is even in the article- I thought the issue is that Obama may have been born in Kenya.

[ridesthemiles]

I will sign up here and now.

[Tammy8]

The US does allow dual citizenship-

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/dual_citizenship.html

[SatinDoll]

see my post at #5 & #85

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" But then Biden gets the seat. "

As Savage would say " MY GOD " or " Oh God " .

[SatinDoll]

see my post at #85

[null and void]

You just said that citizenship CAN be renounced at any age, and then provided the citation that a minor could NOT renounce citizenship.

One of us is confused.

I don’t *think* it’s me...

[Polarik]

Non-partisan and independent reviews and examinations of Obama’s birth certificate as shown on his official website has evidence of tampering and in any case does not list any of the points of information commonly found which would make it traceable and verifiable such as hospital, doctor, size weight, foot prints etc.

I am glad that "nonpartisan, independent reviews" was stated, because there is still only one set of reviews proving that tampering.

[grey_whiskers]

Yah, thanks.

I am in high "troll alert" mode but I'm glad I didn't go all nuclear on you before reading this...

Cheers!

[hsrazorback1]

Paraphrased: A parent can’t renounce for their child. The child - on their own - can renounce their citizenship, only after they display they fully understand their decision.

[Brown Deer]

This article about Coco Solo might help to explain why the certificate of live birth from 1980 came from Colon.

"Panama gradually took back control of the base and the rest of the Canal Zone after a 1977 treaty with the United States, and Coco Solo has since been converted into a huge container terminal known as Manzanillo."

[Polarik]

Why the stonewalling and stalling if he’s a natural born citizen

Because he's not a US "born" anything. There are no US birth records for Obama.

[Candor7]

The simple fact that needs revealing is the location where Obama was born, as you say. The constitution is clear on the issue of "Natural born" ( not artificially born, or hatched, you have to remember that in 1776, supernatural birth was accepted as a matter of course by most.)

The second criteria: " in the United States " simply refers to physical location.

The issue of citizenship is misunderstood by many. Citizenship in another country is NOT recognized by US Law. There is no category of dual citizenship. This also means that a US court cannot really adjudge whether one is a citizen of another country, if someone IS a US citizen. It is known in International law as the principle of "forum non conveniens". A US court cannot apply the law of another nation to decide an issue pertaining to a question of citizenship in another nation.

The effect is that US citizens CAN hold other citizenships, they are not recognized in the US. However some other nations DO recognize the possibility of multiple citizenships of a national, and provide means through declaration and otherwise to do so.

This may seem confusing, but its really quite simple.

It allows a US citizen to say when asked: " Are you a Kenyan Citizen?" To reply" NO." because there is no legal basis for asking the question.Sort of a "don't ask, don't tell" policy on citizen ship outside the US citizenship one holds by birth or naturalization.

US citizenship, once acquired , due to case law, can only be renounced by declaration in writing, IF one is over the age of 18. It used to be by statute, that one could lose US citizenship by voting in a foreign election, for example. That is no longer the case according to case law.

I hope that clarifies the issue somewhat.

But to further muddy the waters, US citizens who can be shown to have dual citizenships, cannot pass a security clearance unless the foreign citizenship is renounced in writing. This is especially true of those with dual allegiances or dual citizenships who are military enlisted personnel who are being promoted to officer rank. So if Obama has a foreign citizenship, he would not be able to pass a security clearance as Commander in Chief, if the clearance guidelines are followed.

[null and void]

I think maybe it is me.

Sort of.

I don’t think a six year old (before the Age of Reason) could convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation.

Still, you’ve made your point that a minor could, in principle, actively renounce citizenship.

[Prophet in the wilderness]

As I have been saying on Free Republic for a few weeks now, that Obama, the MSM, and the DNC are collaborating to attempt to stage a political coup against the US citizens, and the US federal government with the Presidential election as a front and rouse to achieve this coup.