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Healthy food can make you ill?
The Times of India ^ | 22 Oct., 2008. | The Associated News of India (ANI)

Posted on 10/21/2008 9:07:33 PM PDT by MyTwoCopperCoins

Healthy food can make an individual more susceptible to diseases, according to a new controversial book.

In the book titled, 'Trick and Treat: How Healthy Eating Is Making Us Ill,' author Barry Groves claims that healthy eating can sometimes fail to keep an individual hale and hearty.

"Most people are eating in a way that is unnatural to us as a species," the Telegraph quoted Barry, who holds a doctorate in nutritional science, as saying.

"We're a carnivorous species - our gut is identical to that of a big cat. Yet we're encouraged to eat foods that have been padded out with modified starch and vegetable oils, and complex carbohydrates such as bread, pasta and rice, which have all been labelled healthy - but not the fatty meat that our body actually recognises," he added.

He said that's the reason why we don't know when to stop eating.

"Try to eat too much fat - cheese, say - and your body will quickly tell you when it has had enough. But when you eat processed, 'low fat'' food, your body never gets the message it has had enough, so doesn't tell the mind it is full," he said.

Previous studies on rabbits have shown that eating saturated fat would lead to heart disease. This is because, Barry says, the rabbits were fed unnatural diet.

"The first, in 1950, showed that if rabbits were fed a cholesterol-rich diet, it would fur up their arteries.

"Yet, rabbits are only designed to eat plant life, which has no cholesterol. The clogged arteries were caused by feeding them an unnatural diet. It could have been an allergic response.

Taking about the other tenets of a healthy life - five portions of fruit and veg, wholegrain cereals, soya milk, low-fat yogurts, he said, "Vegetables are not the problem but there's no biological or chemical reason to eat them. Liver, for example, has all the minerals and vitamins we need," he added.

"But fruit? The natural sugar it contains - fructose - is much more dangerous than simple glucose or table sugar. It has been linked to the rise in obesity," he added.

He also revealed that wheat collects bacteria and dirt as it grows, and is impossible to clean. Then stored in silos, it is a haven for mice and rats, so it gets sprayed with insecticides. Put a wheat flower under the microscope and you'll see traces of rat faeces," he said.

Soy milk is made with unfermented soya beans - "highly dangerous," claims Barry. As for yogurts made with skimmed milk, they "lack conjugated linoleic acid, which prevents cancer".

For healthy eating he advised, "eat purer foods, and ones that are more natural to us as a species. Cut down on bread and eat more fish, eggs, butter - any animal protein, anything that used to move around, that wasn't stuck in the ground. Liver, kidneys, snails - even insects will do."


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KEYWORDS: cholesterol; fat; food; health
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Looks like an interesting book.


61 posted on 10/21/2008 11:00:13 PM PDT by devere
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
I'll take the stuff with the rat feces.

Make it a double!

62 posted on 10/21/2008 11:02:39 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: count-your-change

There are exceptions. Like potatoes, rice, beans,corn, some of which I mentioned. Do I have to list everything?

Most of your vegies, things you put on the non-carb section of your plate are what dietary guides call “free foods”. You can eat all you want without effecting blood sugar levels.

celery, tomatoes, lettuce, spinach, rhubarb, eggplant cabbage, peppers, radish- get the idea?

I’ll stay at the front, thank you. I do expect students to use their brains however.


63 posted on 10/21/2008 11:10:53 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kruss3

Human bodies cannot produce glucose? Want to look at that again?


64 posted on 10/21/2008 11:16:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
" But please don't try insult my or anyone elses intelligence by suggesting that you are healthier by not eating meat. It's totaly untrue. And like I said, just because you lost some weight and/or are skinny doesn't in anyway mean you are healthy."

Yup, I'm so not the picture of health. 1 2 3

"And eating all those beans and processed 'tofu' doesn't make you pleasant to be around either..."

That's why god created beano.

65 posted on 10/21/2008 11:18:07 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: count-your-change
You should also know, that people eating this 'rabbit food' cutting all carbs and proteins from their diet can still get fat. (and sick, even though they have a '6 pack' and low MBI. How? their liver begins producing glucose. When it does this, it always produces too much, and what ever isn't converted by your pancreas kicking in and converting it into energy and used by your cells, is stored as body fat, especially around the liver and abdomen.

It's a hyperglycemic condition called hepatic glucose production, hepatic gluconeogenesis. That's why a fat person who really isn't stuffing his face behind your back just can't loose wieght. It really isn't fair that some people think all these fat people have to do to loose wieght is quit stuffing their faces and excercise. What they really need to do is eat more, proper food controlling the amount of carbs they eat. You MUST have carbs in every meal, or you trigger that liver production of glucose. The "average" person with type 2 diabetes has three times the normal rate of gluconeogenesis

66 posted on 10/21/2008 11:22:05 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TypeZoNegative

Out of respect for myself, I will not look at pics of a conceited guy obsessed with his body. even sending a link to them to another guy is just a little too wierd for me.

Who are you, that looser from ‘big brother’? He never had a girlfriend either for obvious reasons.


67 posted on 10/21/2008 11:29:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I see you eat crowmeat too. It’s ok.


68 posted on 10/21/2008 11:31:46 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: TypeZoNegative

And don’t you know that just because you tone your muscles, it doesn’t mean you are in good cardiovascular shape.

looks and functional ability are not the same thing.


69 posted on 10/21/2008 11:35:09 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TypeZoNegative

No, I’m just not gay.


70 posted on 10/21/2008 11:36:05 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: TypeZoNegative

Ok I looked. You aren’t even in any kind of shape. In fact you look like an aids patent.

When I was your age, I was in much better shape, and I ate nice thick juicy steaks all the time. And if it wasn’t for a car accident that left me in a wheelchair for 6 years, I’d still be in better shape than that, even though I’m about 30 years older.


71 posted on 10/21/2008 11:41:55 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Rennes Templar

Google primate carnivores; one sample:

Feeding Habits

The primate order includes a handful of species that live entirely on meat (carnivores) and also a few that are strict vegetarians (herbivores), but it is composed chiefly of animals that have varied diets (omnivores). The carnivorous primates are the four species of tarsiers, which live in Southeast Asia. Using their long back legs, these pocket-sized nocturnal hunters leap on their prey, pinning it down with their hands and then killing it with their needle-sharp teeth. Tarsiers primarily eat insects but will also eat lizards, bats, and snakes.

Other prosimians, such as galagos and mouse lemurs, also hunt for insects, but they supplement their diet with different kinds of food, including lizards, bird eggs, fruit, and plant sap. This opportunistic approach to feeding is seen in the majority of monkeys and also in chimpanzees. Several species of monkeys, and chimpanzees, but not the other apes, have been known to attack and eat other monkeys. Baboons, the most adept hunters on the ground, often eat meat and sometimes manage to kill small antelope.

Most apes and monkeys eat a range of plant-based foods, but a few specialize in eating leaves. South American howler monkeys and African colobus monkeys eat the leaves of many different trees, but the proboscis monkey on the island of Borneo is more selective, surviving largely on the leaves of mangroves. These leaf-eating monkeys have modified digestive systems, similar to cows, which enable them to break down food that few other monkeys can digest. Other apes and monkeys eat mostly fruit, while some marmosets and lemurs depend on tree gum and sap.


72 posted on 10/22/2008 12:54:25 AM PDT by Buchal ([Future bumper sticker] Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul . . .)
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To: RandallFlagg

You eat that with the incredible shape your body is in??? My theories are proven true. Whole natural food does a body good. Now if only I could give up Micky D’s LOL!


73 posted on 10/22/2008 1:02:01 AM PDT by BruceysMom (My heart is healed. Thank you Lord!)
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To: Rennes Templar
(Primates all live on fruits, berries...and insects..)

Primates are omnivores, they are also lousy hunters and/but opportunistic and very adaptable.
Primate teeth are not optimized for one diet or the other (but try to avoid being bitten by a baboon).

We are still geared to eating meat and we can easily assimilate needed minerals and vitamins from other stuff; it's nice to be able to shift gears when necessary.
It's also useful that some primates learned to farm, ranch, preserve food, and build shelter.

By and large, those primates thrived because they could kill things, cook 'em, and eat 'em with dairy and veggies on the side. No longer requiring that specific parts of their anatomy evolve for specific and critical conditions.

From what I read in the article, they cited everything that makes the Atkins diet work and recognize that humans are imperfect for any one thing but - eventually - capable of all things.

74 posted on 10/22/2008 1:27:10 AM PDT by norton
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget; Nathan Zachary; calex59; Rudder; Gondring; SatinDoll; Buchal

You are all wrong! The exception does not prove the rule! On the whole, almost all primates are mostly herbivorous! And anatomically and physiologically humans are much more similar to primates than cats! To argue otherwise is ignoring basic zoology.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against meat consumption. But to argue we are primarily carnivorous is suspect.

From the University of Notre Dame:

http://ocw.nd.edu/anthropology/primate-behavior/session-5-behavioral-ecology-2

Session 4: Behavioral Ecology: Feeding

Other animal matter:
Very few primates consume mammals or other vertebrates, but some consume them opportunistically. Macaques are willing to eat anything. Animal matter is largely unreliable as a food source. It is has a variable distribution, has variable capture costs, and variable nutrient return.

Leafy material: Leafy material is the most common dietary element of primates.
• Very abundant and evenly distributed.
• Low competition.
• Extremely variable quality of nutritional value; young leaves are the most nutritive.
• Mechanical digestion is low quality; over time, degradation occurs but this is not a good method for acquisition of nutrients.
• A measure of nutrient accessibility is ADF, or the acid digestion fiber, with high ADF values representing high nutrient food with easy access.
• Seasonality is a cost of leaf consumption, specifically regarding the leaf flush.
• Secondary compounds (tannins, alkaloids, etc.) contained in leaves can be toxic to primates.

Fruits: Primates love fruits because fruits are laden with sugar.

• Patchily spaced so can be variable in space and time.
• High nutritive return due to the simplicity in digesting.
• Easy processing, if ripe, with little need for even chewing.
• High competition. Nothing has more competition than fruits.
• Seasonal availability.
Insects:
• Consumption is second only to fruits for primates.
• Has extremely variable distribution because they can be tricky to catch and eat.
• High nutritive return but due to capture costs, very few primates.
• Capture costs can be extremely high.
• Variable processing costs.

Seeds & nuts:
• Have a variable distribution.
• Have a very high nutritive return with very high processing costs due to the challenge in access and their high amount of secondary compounds.
• Only some primates consume nuts and seeds, but those that do typically have unusual adaptations for accessing.

Exudates (Tree Saps):
Tree saps have a fairly evenly distribution and have a high nutritive return. However, the high extraction costs limit access to the non-human primates with specific dental modifications. Thus, there are really a few competitors for exudates.


75 posted on 10/22/2008 1:27:53 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If the election were today, Obama would win.........in Europe.)
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To: Rennes Templar
"Loving" Bonobos Seen Killing, Eating Other Primates
76 posted on 10/22/2008 1:55:30 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Rennes Templar

All consumption is opportunistic...animals get consumed less because they are quicker than plants and vegetables. Leaves are more opportunistic than specific fruits and vegetables.

If you really spent 25 seconds thinking about it you would come up with this:

In descending order of appearance:
(by percentage of time they are within the grasp of a primate)

Leaves
Plants
Vegetables
Fruits
Substantial Bugs
Small Rodents
Small Birds
Animals

This matches nicely with what primates eat by percentage. Primates, much like us, eat what they can get their hands on.

If you don’t believe me, then please explain why birds will sit on an elephant or wildebeast and pick off bugs but they won’t do the same with a monkey?

(ANSWER: Because the monkey will eat it and the bird knows this unlike yourself)


77 posted on 10/22/2008 1:58:48 AM PDT by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Where do you come up with this stuff?

“...cutting all carbs and proteins from their diet can still get fat.”

Ahh, that would leave only fats.

” ...their liver begins producing glucose”

The liver produces and STORES glucose as glycogen. Normal.

“When it does this, it always produces too much,”

How much glucose the liver produces is mostly controlled by the hypothalamus which directs the pancreas to produce either glucagon or insulin.

“You MUST have carbs in every meal, or you trigger that liver production of glucose.”

The silliness of this statement should be self evident.But right you are when you say that unused glucose can end up as fat.

“It’s a hyperglycemic condition called hepatic glucose production, hepatic gluconeogenesis.”

Glucose production by the liver is not a hyperglycemic condition nor is having body fat. Hyperglycemia refers to high blood sugar just as hypoglycemia refers to low blood sugar.

p.s. toss out the diet guru books.

Type 2 diabetes is the body being resistant to the effects of insulin which causes blood levels of sugar to rise.


78 posted on 10/22/2008 2:08:17 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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79 posted on 10/22/2008 2:34:46 AM PDT by Eurotwit (WI - CS)
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To: Rennes Templar

Where is my post wrong?


80 posted on 10/22/2008 3:47:50 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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