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BIDEN DEFIES POPE & BISHOPS: IS PRO-GAY MARRIAGE (I would vote against Proposition 8)
Catholic League ^ | 102008

Posted on 10/20/2008 4:00:38 PM PDT by Fred

On today’s episode of “Ellen,” Joe Biden told Ellen DeGeneres “that if I lived in California, I would vote against Proposition 8.” This initiative reads, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” Yet in his debate with Sarah Palin on October 2, Biden said that “Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.”

Catholic League president Bill Donohue weighed in on this today:

“Proposition 8 is a civil initiative that would secure marriage as an institution that is exclusively between a man and a woman, and Joe Biden told Ellen DeGeneres that he is opposed to that measure. In other words, Biden did not tell the truth in his debate with Sarah Palin. He cannot logically be opposed to both gay marriage and Proposition 8, but that is exactly what he is trying to get away with. More important, Biden is openly defying both the pope and the bishops.

“Last year, in his Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis, Pope Benedict XVI pointedly said the following about people like Joe Biden: ‘Worship pleasing to God can never be a purely private matter…it is especially incumbent upon those who, by virtue of their social or political position, must make decisions regarding fundamental values such as respect for human life, its defence from conception to natural death, the family built upon marriage between a man and a woman....These values are not negotiable.’ (My emphasis.)

“Last year, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops issued Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship wherein it said that the family based on marriage between a man and a woman ‘should be defended and strengthened, not redefined or undermined by permitting same-sex unions or other distortions of marriage.’

“Biden is in a major jam. He needs to hold a press conference explaining his irreconcilable moral positions, and why he has chosen to defy the pope and the bishops.”


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; antichrist; biden; catholicpoliticians; chiapet; homosexualagenda; mccain; obama; obamatruthfile; obamatruthsquad; plugs; prop8; samesexmarriage
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1 posted on 10/20/2008 4:00:38 PM PDT by Fred
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To: Fred

Defy the pope and the bishops, go to Communion.

Rinse and repeat.


2 posted on 10/20/2008 4:02:54 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It's Joe the Plumber vs Barack the Socialist.)
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To: Fred

This guy is a noodle — he stands for absolutely nothing morally relevant.

Pro-gay, Pro death of un-born infants, Pro Surrender in Iraq...what a loser.


3 posted on 10/20/2008 4:03:13 PM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.)
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To: Fred

That’s Biden for you, talking out of both sides of his mouth and occasionally out of his butt.


4 posted on 10/20/2008 4:03:18 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Well, you know, say whatever is convenient at the moment.


5 posted on 10/20/2008 4:03:37 PM PDT by IrishBlue06
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To: Fred

bump


6 posted on 10/20/2008 4:03:50 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle (Country first!)
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To: Fred

Biden pandering to voters again

at a homo group obama said he supports homo marriage
at the Biden debate where the world can see Biden says they are not for homo marriage
Now on a homo led liberal show Biden says he would vote against question 8

will one friggin journo out there point any of this out

FFS, just one journo has to believe in their job


7 posted on 10/20/2008 4:03:58 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: pray4liberty

..much more the latter, I believe.


8 posted on 10/20/2008 4:04:48 PM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle (Country first!)
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To: Fred
Then he's been lying to the American Public, just as I thought, which is not surprising.

The confusion he generates among members of the Catholic church and the American public, should be answered and punished with a very public excommunication. Unfortunately, that will never happen.

9 posted on 10/20/2008 4:05:03 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin '08)
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To: Fred
On today’s episode of “Ellen,” Joe Biden told Ellen DeGeneres “that if I lived in California, I would vote against Proposition 8.” California finally had some good news, keep Biden back east
10 posted on 10/20/2008 4:08:33 PM PDT by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: Fred
So does his running mate...he said as much during the Saddleback Forum with Pastor Rick Warren.
11 posted on 10/20/2008 4:09:18 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: TAdams8591

obama has said he believes in homo marriage
biden/ Palin debate Biden said they do not want homo’s to get married

now on a a liberal homo led show he is for it

which is it?

The pope needs to get over here and tell catholics that the church does not accept homo’s and any homo activists or catholics who believe in this should not be able to go to church and receive their communion(think it is called)


12 posted on 10/20/2008 4:09:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Fred
He cannot logically be opposed to both gay marriage and Proposition 8, but that is exactly what he is trying to get away with.

I disagree with this idea. You can most certainly be against gay marriage and against wanting to ban it outright in a constitutional ballot!

13 posted on 10/20/2008 4:10:17 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: T Lady

but Biden said he does not support homo sham marriage on the Biden //PALIN debate

a clear lie for all to see and this I am sure the media will point out

NOT


14 posted on 10/20/2008 4:10:57 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Fred

“Catholic League president Bill Donohue weighed in on this today”

Hey Bill, weigh in on THIS; why isn’t the SOB thrown out of the church, so he can go to Katies on Main St. to visit all of his blue collar freinds of a lovely Sunday morn? Maybe he can reopen it after the 20 odd years its been closed.


15 posted on 10/20/2008 4:14:14 PM PDT by jessduntno (Barack - Swahili for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: Fred

Ummmmm, didn’t he say that he and Obama were against homosexual marriage during the VP debate? /confused


16 posted on 10/20/2008 4:16:23 PM PDT by kimchi lover (Joe the Plumber is my Homeboy!)
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To: manc

The only good thing about being a Conservative resident in this leftist state is that I can vote YES on prop 8 and, secondly, there have been no Obami ads on television. Why bother since the state is in his back pocket along with Zerobama’s thumb worn, dogeared copy of Das Kapital.


17 posted on 10/20/2008 4:17:43 PM PDT by mrvirgo
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To: manc

“..obama has said he believes in homo marriage..”

That tune will be changed as soon as he slithers out of the muslim closet.


18 posted on 10/20/2008 4:24:00 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: manc
Exactly...which just goes to show Obama's political expediency, since he said (at Saddleback) while he did believe marriage is between a man and a woman, he does not support a state amendment to defend it.

As I shared with a fellow McCain-Palin supporter at church, it's not what Obama says that scares me as much as what he doesn't say.

19 posted on 10/20/2008 4:26:45 PM PDT by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

He is so excruciating...at least I’ll have the pleasure of voting against him TWICE. He’s my Senator, God help me.


20 posted on 10/20/2008 4:27:29 PM PDT by pray4liberty (The Lord is on the side of the truly righteous. The MSM is not.)
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