Posted on 09/25/2008 5:21:56 PM PDT by SJackson
'There was a story in The Jerusalem Post recently about how Sarah Palin was driving a lot of the old Jews in Florida back into the hands of the Democrats. They still didn't particularly like Barack Obama, but they disliked Palin more, explained Steve Geller, a Jewish Democratic politician down there.
It wasn't just the evangelical thing, he said. "Most of our South Florida condo people are appalled at seeing her standing over a moose."
Finally. Thank God. I'd like to shake the hands of those South Florida condo people for saying what American Jews have been afraid to say ever since the rise of the Right: We don't like hunting. We don't admire hunters. In fact, we think they're a little strange, maybe even a little bit sick - and with some of them, more than a little bit.
What sort of person kills animals for sport? For fun? You see this picture of Sarah Palin kneeling in the snow over this moose she's just shot, and the moose is lying there bleeding from the mouth - and everybody's supposed to applaud. This is women's equality - women can kill moose, too.
By the way, this is not just a Republican thing; Hillary Clinton told the story over and over about how she learned to hunt from her father. In 2004, John Kerry made sure everyone knew he may be a Democrat with a Boston accent, but he was a hunter, damnit.
Obviously, they were going after the redneck vote, showing they weren't prissy urban liberals, they were real, red-blooded Americans. That's what you have to do to get elected president ever since 1980, when Reagan took over, and country became cool.
AND I have to laugh at these Jewish Republicans who are kvelling over Palin and what a regular, down-to-earth gal she is. I'd like to see some of these verbose Jewish neocons tromping around Alaska with a hunting rifle going after caribou, whatever the hell that is.
Why don't they admit that they're put off by Palin's exploits in the snow, and by hunting in principle, just like those Florida condo people are. This is not a Jewish thing, and, as a Jew, I'm happy to say it's not. I know there are a few Jewish hunters out there, and I want to say I feel sorry for you, you and all your gentile friends, that this is how you find joy in life - by killing deer, and moose, and rabbits, and ducks, and birds and whatever other animals you enjoy shooting.
By the way, I don't mean to tar all gentiles as barbarians - I know that millions and millions of gentiles are also sickened by hunting, maybe most of them are. But let's face it, even if most gentiles aren't hunters, virtually all hunters are gentiles.
After all, how many Jews are members of the National Rifle Association? (No, you cannot count Charlton Heston, z"l.)
And I'm not one of those people who want to outlaw hunting. I don't think it's "murder," I don't think animals have the same rights as people. Actually, I'm no great animal lover at all. Actually, if you want to know the truth, I identify with the humorist Fran Lebowitz, who, when asked to name her favorite animal, replied: "Steak."
And I don't hate guns, either; I got a big kick out of target practice in the army. I'm also not a stickler for gun control; I understand that in some places and some situations, a gun is a good thing to have, and I'm not convinced that rounding up guns in America would bring the crime rate down to European levels.
It's just that I don't like the idea of killing animals for pleasure, and I don't think being a hunter is anything to be proud of. I wouldn't do it, and frankly, I don't think I could be friends with somebody who did it, or at least somebody who did it passionately, and it seems to me that all hunters are passionate about hunting. It doesn't strike me as a hobby you can pursue half-heartedly.
The South Florida condo people have a term for it: goyishe naches. Gentiles' idea of happiness. Not all gentiles, of course, but too many of them, including Sarah Palin, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and, of course, Dick Cheney. (Just think - if the yidden in Florida had known all along that Cheney was such a remarkably eager hunter, Al Gore probably would have won in 2000.)
So let's all of us Jews, or virtually all of us, along with the vast, civilized majority of gentiles, stand up and say: Feh on hunting! You think that makes you a man, or a strong woman? It makes you a nut! You should be ashamed of yourselves! Unless you're starving, leave the poor animals alone!
And now that we've told the rednecks and the politicians who pander to them what we think of that great American pastime, shall we talk about stock car racing?
**To each his own, I guess — I field dress my deer the other way around. It is nice to have a hoist and a hose though, makes the job much tidier.**
That’s exactly what I was thinking!
“So, get your hat on straight and stop thinking with your soft heart and stupid emotions. God gave you a brain, use it.”
Oh, you misunderstand me. I’m not a Vegan, I’m a hunter. My heart is far from soft. I’m well aware of the issues you raise. But, just as with people, I’m sure that DESPITE the hardships of a natural state, animals would prefer to live free of human intervention. That is of course projection, but to argue that animals are somehow “happier” without the ability to eat, move or procreate at will, and living in human constructs rather than wild in the beauty of nature, seems to me to be obviously wrong.
The manner of death you speak of for wild animals is generally right, natural, and has occurred for endless millennia. Who are we to question nature’s way? And, as I pointed out, the death offered by a competent hunter is every bit as humane as that offered in the slaughterhouse.
You are of course welcome to your opinion. :-)
“So, get your hat on straight and stop thinking with your soft heart and stupid emotions. God gave you a brain, use it.”
Oh, you misunderstand me. I’m not a Vegan, I’m a hunter. My heart is far from soft. I’m well aware of the issues you raise. But, just as with people, I’m sure that DESPITE the hardships of a natural state, animals would prefer to live free of human intervention. That is of course projection, but to argue that animals are somehow “happier” without the ability to eat, move or procreate at will, and living in human constructs rather than wild in the beauty of nature, seems to me to be obviously wrong.
The manner of death you speak of for wild animals is generally right, natural, and has occurred for endless millennia. Who are we to question nature’s way? And, as I pointed out, the death offered by a competent hunter is every bit as humane as that offered in the slaughterhouse.
You are of course welcome to your opinion. :-)
Sorry for the double post, FR is acting up for me this morning.
I don't think it's a real world problem, but while perhaps practical amongst friends, it's illegal in most (all?) states to sell game.
BTW, you can buy kosher venison, elk and buffalo, pretty much anything that can be farm raised.
He’s a disgrace to the man race!
I pity the fool.
That is the most @ss-backward thing I’ve ever read. I’m gonna go clean my guns. ;)
You are right! They are for infanticide but appalled at wolf-killing.
I think I’ll engage a liberal on that one...
You are right! They are for infanticide but appalled at wolf-killing.
I think I’ll engage a liberal on that one...
False. All animals are sentient; i.e. ‘have feeling’. They also share the desire to live, and often much else. Well documented in the book ‘When Elephants Cry’.
Beautiful photo.
Thanks for the ping.
Leviticus 11:20 “ ‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. 21 There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.
“Well documented”
How interesting. And in what language did animals describe their feelings to the author?
Perhaps they submitted their replies in written form.
Kosher meat not only comes from an animal, but it is a ritualized method of slaughter practiced by a small minority who exclude themselves from society by custom, appearance, dialect, and religious zeal.
I wonder how Mr. Derfner would react to a proposed ban on ritual slaughter of animals, particularly the Kosher style. It’s difficult to argue that Orthodox Jews represent anything but the extreme minority of Judaism.
So let’s ban it. Lets do away with it. Let’s heap on the prejudice, and ignorance, a la Mr. Derfner, and act like ignorant loudmouths. Kosher meats are ritualized animal murder by religious extremists. It’s okay when Derfner says things like that.
And if anyone has contact information for Mr. Derfner, please tell him that I, a Goyim resident of southern Florida, will be happy to take him to the end of Loxahatchee Road and let him commune with the alligators there, unless he would rather meet the wild hogs on a farm in Martin County.
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