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John McCain endorsed by his Vietnamese jailer
Telegraph ^ | September 15, 2008 | Thomas Bell

Posted on 09/15/2008 3:45:02 AM PDT by Schnucki

John McCain has won an unusual endorsement for his presidential campaign - from the man who was his jailer in wartime Vietnam.

John McCain was shot down and badly wounded while bombing a Hanoi power station on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam in 1967. He was a prisoner for over five years.

Because Mr McCain's father was commander of all American forces in the Pacific theatre, the Vietnamese called him "the prince".

Tran Trong Duyet, the commandant of Hao Lo prison in Hanoi from 1968-73, recalls Mr McCain "as a typical child of a traditional military family. He was conservative and faithful to his country's policy of the Vietnam war".

"In a talk between men we shared many things about girls and love and so on," said Mr Duyet, who claims Mr McCain helped teach him English.

"I think John McCain is a very smart man."

In his run for the presidency, Mr McCain's years as a PoW are constantly invoked for the courage he showed under repeated torture, never giving the Vietnamese anything they could use in their propaganda.

Mr McCain's much touted expertise in foreign policy is said to have its origin in Hao Lo prison, as well as his opposition to the torture of terrorism suspects.

Mr Duyut, still a dedicated Communist Party member, says he is upset by the accounts of torture in Vietnam given by Mr McCain and his fellow prisoners.

"It never happened," he said. "If the soldiers did not follow my orders about the 1949 Geneva Convention they would be strictly punished."

"But I also sympathise with him why he has to say this. I guess he says so to get support of people who support the war."

"I can say that Vietnamese are the best people all over the world for

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008endorsements; duyet; duyut; endorsement; mccain; mccainpalin; pow; theprince; torture; trantrongduyet; vietnam
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1 posted on 09/15/2008 3:45:02 AM PDT by Schnucki
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Mr Duyut, still a dedicated Communist Party member, says he is upset by the accounts of torture in Vietnam given by Mr McCain and his fellow prisoners.

"It never happened," he said. Oh, you can be sure the nutroots are going to buy into this load of cr@p. Sigh.

2 posted on 09/15/2008 3:47:41 AM PDT by piytar
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Oh, you can be sure the nutroots are going to buy into this load of cr@p.

Let them. It'll only drive more sane people to McCain.

3 posted on 09/15/2008 3:51:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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if he wasn’t tortured, then explain to us how those injuries came from 5 years after he was first captured


4 posted on 09/15/2008 3:56:04 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane
if he wasnÂ’t tortured, then explain to us how those injuries came from 5 years after he was first captured

He inflicted them himself to disgrace the noble workers and peasants of Vietnam. < /sarc>

5 posted on 09/15/2008 4:03:25 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: F15Eagle
Obama endorsed by certifiable lunatic Louis Farrakhan who thinks UFO’s with 1500 smaller UFO’s will bomb anti-islam people into oblivion.

Don't forget bin Ladedn, Hamas, Hezbolla, and the Iranian nut-case.

7 posted on 09/15/2008 4:20:35 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that he's too black, it's that he's too RED.)
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To: Schnucki

I don’t think it is a surprise endorsement.

If you had to live under a Communist regime for four decades, and for the first time in your life you got to vote for your country’s leader would you pick Obama?

Communists don’t allow people to vote for exactly this reason - the Communist won’t win.


8 posted on 09/15/2008 4:22:52 AM PDT by msg-84 (Semper Fidelis)
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To: 4rcane

Janehanoifonda beat him for bombing babies.


11 posted on 09/15/2008 4:26:04 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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“He is upset by the accounts of torture in Vietnam given by Mr McCain and his fellow prisoners.”

“It never happened,” he said. “If the soldiers did not follow my orders about the 1949 Geneva Convention they would be strictly punished.”

The key to understanding the above quotes is the reference to the 1949 Geneva Convention. Under the Vietnamese interpretation, they never had any prisoners of war, only war criminals. Therefore, the Americans they held could not be tortured according to the Geneva Convention as the Geneva Convention did not apply. All that breaking of arms, infliction of pain, and so on, was not torture in the Vietnamese mind. They thought it was justice.

Now, bear in mind, to me, it was torture. John McCain is a hero and should be President. I’m just explaining the inner workings of that communist mind and that of Bill Clinton are quite similar. Both twist words. To get their true meaning requires close exaimination.


12 posted on 09/15/2008 4:29:44 AM PDT by rgboomers (This space purposely left blank)
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To: libertylover

And Hillary, don’t forget the Clintoons....


13 posted on 09/15/2008 4:40:52 AM PDT by Brytani ("Proud Member of the Lipstick Rebellion - McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: Schnucki
Mr Duyut, still a dedicated Communist Party member . . . .

Rat Party (formerly the traditional, patriotic Democratic Party) stalwarts and leaders will ask, "So?"

They are the New Left gutter rats of the 1960s and their gutter rat children. Nothing their Ho in Hanoi did was subject to criticism or question. Nothing.

So dipsomaniac Randi Rhodes walks into a bar and says, "Ouch!"

Found unconscious on sidewalk, she blames right wing attackers for injuries to her head.

They lie. It's what they do.

14 posted on 09/15/2008 4:55:18 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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“”It never happened,” he said. “If the soldiers did not follow my orders about the 1949 Geneva Convention they would be strictly punished.... And Ms. fonda will back me upon this.”


15 posted on 09/15/2008 4:58:42 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: rgboomers

Hmmm, ...I guess if I had been responsible for the torture of a fellow who is at the point of becoming one of, if not the most powerful man in the world, in charge of many a clandestine service and covert operational forces, it might be very prudent to start letting bygones, be bygones,

...I mean I would really, really, really do whatever I perceived to be necessary and then some to show how I had changed my ways,

....so the little slips about how torture never happened,

...the guy has to have scarred his soul so deeply that he really doesn’t think anything wrong occurred.


16 posted on 09/15/2008 5:21:43 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Schnucki
Mr Duyet, still a dedicated Communist Party member...

..."It never happened," he said.

Given the first line, the identification, it follows that nothing the man says can be believed without hard corroborative evidence. He could be telling the truth but that is not discernible from his words. He will not say anything that casts an unfavorable light on himself or his government.

17 posted on 09/15/2008 5:22:05 AM PDT by arthurus (Old age and guile beats youth and enthusiasm.)
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To: piytar

President McCain would be very warmly welcomed in Viet Nam when he visits there. One benefit of a McCain presidency is that he can probably get more changes in the Vietnamese system than any other American president could and Hussein won’t even try, might push the other way.


18 posted on 09/15/2008 5:26:26 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: F15Eagle
He cannot say anything unfavorable to his government. He may sound as if he is giving ammo to the O'Bamanites but he is passing the message that his government thinks McCain a much better choice for Viet Nam and Viet Nam will be very friendly to President McCain. He, and his government, want to say nice things about McCain because they surely prefer to see a president McCain than Hussein. Hussein cannot be expected to back Viet Nam against China. McCain will. It also may indicate that the Vietnamese government expects that McCain will win the election. They truly respect McCain, besides.
O'Bama does not impress them well at all.
19 posted on 09/15/2008 5:35:32 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Schnucki

I see, the men we saw being carried off the planes on stretchers or the walking skeletons with years worth of untreated injuries and scars were all making it up.
May I ask how they came to be in the condition they were in?
I don’t think they starved and beat each other.
And BTW I know one of those brave men, who endured your “Hospitality”.


20 posted on 09/15/2008 5:40:56 AM PDT by kalee
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