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Qaeda defectors claw way back into Iraq mainstream
AFP ^ | Aug 31, 2008 | Jay Deshmukh

Posted on 09/01/2008 12:37:40 PM PDT by forkinsocket

Last month Al-Qaeda fighters Abdul Rahman Mohammed and Ahmed Ali laid down their arms after nearly four years of fighting US soldiers in Iraq.

The two young men and hundreds like them from Al-Qaeda and other insurgent groups in largely Sunni Arab Salaheddin province surrendered under an amnesty offered by US and Iraqi militaries with a pledge to begin a new civilian life.

Wearing a light brown traditional Arab dishdasha, a clean shaven Mohammed, 22, spoke calmly of wanting to kill US troops as his blood boiled with anger at their presence in his homeland.

"I don't remember how many firefights we had with the Americans because there were many. I don't remember how many American vehicles we blew up," Mohammed told AFP in his hometown of Dhuluiyah, north of Baghdad.

"I could not tolerate the occupation and so joined the Islamic Army," Mohammed said, referring to the rebel group formed by loyalists of executed president Saddam Hussein. "It was jihad for me."

Mohammed and Ali, 21, who gave false names for fear of Al-Qaeda reprisals, said they began their fight against the US military by joining the Islamic Army but later switched to the jihadists as they were more ferocious.

Mohammed's entry into Al-Qaeda occurred right under the noses of his American captors.

In 2006, he was detained for six months in Camp Bucca, a US detention centre near Iraq's main southern city of Basra.

"I met Al-Qaeda militants in the camp. They were fiery and fierce. Their anti-American speeches and agendas influenced me and I joined them after I was released," Mohammed said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; iraq; islam; mohammedanism
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1 posted on 09/01/2008 12:37:40 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

This is what victory in a counterinsurgency looks like. It ain’t VE Day in Paris, but it’ll work.


2 posted on 09/01/2008 12:51:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: forkinsocket
“the Islamic Army”

An army of cowards, murders, and thugs who hide behind women and children used as shields to kill other unarmed innocents. History will note them to be less than human scum and will forever associate them with the religion of Islam. They defile the religion they pretend to represent!

Islam would do well to find this worthlessness and dispatch them to their final reward.

3 posted on 09/01/2008 12:52:46 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: forkinsocket

We should 7.62mm them , and their mothers for having them.Yes I read the article.


4 posted on 09/01/2008 12:55:46 PM PDT by gitmogrunt (Serbia, the early warning to Islamic Terrorism the West bombed.)
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To: Travis McGee

These killers should have been forced to earn their amnesty. One year hard labor repairing infrastructure and houses they destroyed.

These scum got off scot free


5 posted on 09/01/2008 12:59:08 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: dennisw

It’s a bitter price to pay, but it’s the price of ending an insurgency. Same thing happened in El Salvador. You don’t win until the guerrillas/terrorists quit. They won’t quit if there is a perpetual price on their head.


6 posted on 09/01/2008 1:01:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Herakles
They defile the religion they pretend to represent!

On the contrary, they are the most exact practioners of Islam. They exemplify Islam.

If they torture, murder and rape - that is ok. As long as they help the cause of Islam.

Islam at its heart is a very simple "faith". Do whatever you want - anything at all - including any devilry - including any lie - including (suprisingly to Western ears) denying Allah - just as long as whatever you do furthers the cause of Islam. It is that simple. It is that demented.

7 posted on 09/01/2008 1:03:18 PM PDT by agere_contra ("We are all Georgians" - John McCain)
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To: forkinsocket

The Iraqis should be very, very careful in accepting these final-hour converts from al Quaeda.


8 posted on 09/01/2008 1:05:36 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Herakles
“the Islamic Army”

An army of cowards, murders, and thugs who hide behind women and children used as shields to kill other unarmed innocents. History will note them to be less than human scum and will forever associate them with the religion of Islam. They defile the religion they pretend to represent!

Islam would do well to find this worthlessness and dispatch them to their final reward.

Defiled is not the right word. All they did was emulate the dark deeds of Muhammad. Every Muslim is ordered to emulate the life of Muhammad. Thank God (the real one) many Muslims are lazy about this

There is no Islam without Jihad and I promise you that these remorseless killers would quote Koran scripture and verse to justify their mass murder. They quit only because they got tired and the "ferocious" tactics failed

             "I have been made victorious with terror"  --- Muhammed

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).


9 posted on 09/01/2008 1:12:48 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: agere_contra

“I have been made victorious with terror” -— Muhammed


10 posted on 09/01/2008 1:14:57 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: Travis McGee

I hear ya! So it goes with guerilla war


11 posted on 09/01/2008 1:20:29 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: gitmogrunt
We should 7.62mm them , and their mothers for having them.

Totally disagree, they should 7.62mm them and their fathers.

Islamic women are just chattel and a step above their goats and sheep.

You can't blame them for producing barbarians when they have no say so.

12 posted on 09/01/2008 1:32:08 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Herakles; dennisw

lol you can find a7adith to justify anything, including killing of fellow Muslims for the greater good. See tatarrus.


13 posted on 09/01/2008 2:10:28 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket
lol you can find a7adith to justify anything, including killing of fellow Muslims for the greater good. See tatarrus.

This is where you are dead wrong-- At least on the Koran
Muslims can claim Jihad means peaceful inner struggle
Many skeptics say Jihad means bloody war and conquest of the infidel

Guess what---
You analyze the Koran and peaceful inner Jihad appears 2% of the time
Jihad as war appears 98% of the time

So the numbers show what Jihad really means despite the bs a Muslim may throw at you about Jihad=inner struggle

14 posted on 09/01/2008 5:41:28 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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To: dennisw

Hmm I’m not talking about jihad, I was talking about the other poster that I pinged who said that al qaeda are defiling Islam by using human shields. There is 7adith to justify killing Muslim human shields (the religious concept of tatarrus elaborated on extensively by al-Qaeda) & a7adith to justify anything you want. Not just crimes, but obvious pagan practices & general weirdo stuff. What defiling?

But ah, la 7aya fi al 3alm. There is no life in science. Said by Muslims when confronted with bizarre Muslim ideas.

As for jihad, it means struggle but in a religious context. No one says in colloquial dialect that you’re having a jihad to fix your car. Sure you can say you’re having a jihad to quit smoking - but this means that you’re doing it for Islamic reasons. & in any case, it has always been primarily used to refer to war & violence. When you use the word jihad in Arabic, it is first assumed that you mean war & if you mean it as an inner struggle or a struggle to quit smoking for God, you must clarify.

& off topic but, I’m asking every Jew to please help me find a copy online or something that can be mailed to me of the Tanakh in Arabic. I’m trying to convert an Emirati into a Noachide & he wants to read it in Arabic.


15 posted on 09/01/2008 7:36:47 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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To: forkinsocket

http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/pdf_bible.htm

Why not the Bible in Arabic? You can print out the chapters you want. This is not Tanach but close enough for now


16 posted on 09/01/2008 7:44:34 PM PDT by dennisw (That Muhammad was a charlatan. Islam is a hoax, an imperialistic ideology, disguised as religion.)
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