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Mikhail Gorbachev Quote from 1987
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote/mikhail_gorbachev_quote_8719 ^ | 17 Aug 2008 | Blogger

Posted on 08/17/2008 10:41:54 AM PDT by Blogger

"Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep. We want to accomplish three things:

One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe. Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces from Europe. Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative."

Quote by: Mikhail Gorbachev (1931- ) General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the last head of state of the USSR (1985-1991) Date: November 1987 Source: speech to the Soviet Politburo, November 1987


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: 1987; coldwar2; communism; georgia; glasnost; gorbachev; perestroika; putin; russia; sdi; sovietunion; starwars; ussr
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Well, he hasn't gotten all that he wanted, but should it really be a surprise that the Bear has come out of hibernation?
1 posted on 08/17/2008 10:41:54 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

These “quotes” would be a whole lot more convincing and effective if the site linked directly to the source, instead of to another page of their website.


2 posted on 08/17/2008 10:47:43 AM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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...One, we want the Americans to withdraw conventional forces from Europe. Two, we want them to withdraw nuclear forces from Europe. Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative."...

So, how did that work out, Mikey?

3 posted on 08/17/2008 10:49:49 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Me no bottom man. Me top man.)
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Well, he hasn't gotten all that he wanted, but should it really be a surprise that the Bear has come out of hibernation?

Yup...and, don't forget, the quote from our dear president about looking into Pootie-Poot's eyes and "seeing the soul of a man I can trust" while our next president, John McCain, said "when I look into Putin's eyes I see KGB!" Oh, how I wish we could have a do-over in the 2000 GOP primary!

4 posted on 08/17/2008 10:51:35 AM PDT by meandog (please pray for future President McCain, day minus 130 and counting)))
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To: Blogger

That is the quote we have on the main page of our Trans-Asian Axis site....


5 posted on 08/17/2008 10:52:50 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
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To: meandog

I wish they’d quit looking into his eyes and start looking into his motives.


6 posted on 08/17/2008 10:58:24 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: ETL

The quote has been around a long time. I don’t necessarily think modern Russia wants to advertise comments from the Soviet Politburo.


7 posted on 08/17/2008 10:58:47 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Ideas are far more powerful than guns.
We don’t allow our enemies to have guns,
why should we allow them to have ideas?

Joseph Stalin (1879 - 1953)


8 posted on 08/17/2008 11:01:10 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto!)
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To: pissant
I think we are seeing who didn't want Duncan Hunter as CIC:

>>>Three, we want the Americans to stop proceeding with Strategic Defense Initiative<<<

Star Wars

9 posted on 08/17/2008 11:01:31 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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Maybe it's just me, but this "Soviet Bear coming out of hibernation" is more like Benito Mussolini trying to revive the Roman Empire. Both invaded a small, relatively helpless country. Just wait until they try to roll through Ukraine and Poland...they can kick butt.

I think we should try some black-op right out of a Tom Clancy or Dale Brown novel, with some stealth bombers taking out the obsolescent tanks, hitting some of the fat, out-of-shape Russian reservists, and generally sowing chaos. Then, when the Russkies leave Georgia with their tail between their legs, let the Soviets kill Putin for trying to mess with America.

10 posted on 08/17/2008 11:05:21 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: Blogger

Along the same lines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

New Lies for Old

In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old[3], wherein he predicted the collapse of the communist bloc orchestrated from above. He warned about a long-term deception strategy designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States. Among other things, Golitsyn stated:

* “The ‘liberalization’ [in the Soviet Union] would be spectacular and impressive. Formal pronouncements might be made about a reduction in the communist party’s role; its monopoly would be apparently curtailed.”
* “If [liberalization] should be extended to East Germany, demolition of the Berlin Wall might even be contemplated.”
* “The European Parliament might become an all-European socialist parliament with representation from the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. ‘Europe from the Atlantic to the Urals’ would turn out to be a neutral, socialist Europe.”


11 posted on 08/17/2008 11:05:36 AM PDT by Pantera
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To: MuttTheHoople

I am more concerned that it is like Hitler and the Sudetenland.


12 posted on 08/17/2008 11:07:46 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

And then Sevastopol will be the new ‘Danzig’.


13 posted on 08/17/2008 11:11:43 AM PDT by dfwgator ( This tag blank until football season.)
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To: Blogger

Achievements of Socialism in the Great Patriotic War (Soviet Union)
14 posted on 08/17/2008 11:16:15 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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"the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century" -Russian leader Vladimir Putin on the collapse of the Soviet Union...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2063327/posts?page=3#3
15 posted on 08/17/2008 11:17:37 AM PDT by ETL (Lots of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the ObamaRats at my Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl)
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The biggest difference is that Germany had first-rate equipment, brilliant generals, and a fit army and air force. The Rooskies have overweight reservists, obsolescent armor, and Generals who have little to no control over their men. The only reason the Georgians fled was simply numerical superiority.

I'm still for a black-op strike on all those tanks.

16 posted on 08/17/2008 11:22:07 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: durasell

We have not yet used our greatest weapon...Wall St. It is time to let the Rooskies know who holds all the cards in this poker game. It is time to get every American bank, mutual fund, insurance company, foundation and every other institution to start selling every Russian stock that we own. Choke the Rooskies in billions of overnight losses and convince the Europeans to do the same. Let the Rooskies know that if you want to be a bully, there is not a single place on earth outside of Russia to park your rubles!


17 posted on 08/17/2008 11:25:13 AM PDT by Stayfree (***************************************IF IT IS LEFT, IT CAN'T BE RIGHT!!)
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18 posted on 08/17/2008 11:26:53 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Stayfree
We have not yet used our greatest weapon...Wall St. It is time to let the Rooskies know who holds all the cards in this poker game.

ROTFLOL! And who is going to finance this idea of going against markets? That sort of thinking is expensive, as the USSR found out.

And also, I suppose you haven't looked at the Russian market manipulations in advance of the Georgian invasion, eh?

19 posted on 08/17/2008 11:33:42 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Don’t count out all those new young Muslims joining the Russian armed forces!


20 posted on 08/17/2008 11:35:19 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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