Posted on 08/16/2008 7:58:17 PM PDT by motoman
Jerome Corsi goes on FOX News & destroys Barack Obama, Daily Kos, other critics
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
That's one of the stupidest excuses for blacking out the number I've heard. If that were the case, wouldn't they black out ALL certificate numbers as they were issued? Otherwise anyone holding a valid Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth could potentially break into their system by using their own file number. Doesn't sound like a very secure system.
I'm not sure, of course. However, if she did not check the information, she should have so stated and refused to comment further.
If this ever were to blow up, and she found herself in front of a grand jury or a congressional committee, her excuse would be incompetence, that she didn't look up BHO's record and just assumed ...
Additionally, can you imagine the firestorm that would ignite around her as an individual if she said “No Comment” to the press?
Her life would instantly become impossible. I would not blame her one bit if she took the easy way out of this by keeping herself from being stalked by reporters, trying to extract further words from her mouth.
I would fully expect that she, and her boss, would prefer that this be worked out at the proper levels. She is in no position to be making any direct comments regarding the actual BC, which she did not provide any direct insight into.
The burden does not lie on her to produce the authentic document. That is Barrack Obama’s responsibility. She cannot be held responsible for Obama lying to the public or posting a fake COLB. She could not be held responsible for someone else's fraudulent activities, unless she was party to perpetrating the fraud - such as helping to falsify the BC or COLB.
LOL!! I appreciate your concern. /sarc
Hmmmm...
With this, the visit to Grandma, and his appearance on TV tonight...er, last night, perhaps Grandma has decided to be interviewed and go one record with important information. Maybe she told him, and it made him unhappy, morose, dare I say it, suicidal even.
Often, in colonial times, the records were kept by churches. There would be a record of christening that substituted for birth records. County governments absorbed those records over the years as they took over more record-keeping functions. The Constitution helped codify the need for reliable and comprehensive records by requiring a decennial census.
If OB or anyone else doesn't meet the qualifications they should be out. Even if it is discovered when they are in office. If you're not qualified, you're out, whenever.
The question is who makes that determination. There is no precedent for the federal judiciary to declare a candidate ineligible to run for the office, and it is the states that determine who appears on the ballot and how the electors may vote. Even if the federal courts were to weigh in on the issue, it is not clear who has the burden of proof or who has standing to bring the suit, and the courts are likely to err on the side of inaction.
The Constitution and two centuries of precedent are pretty clear that the courts cannot remove a federal elected official from office. The president, vice president and federal judges must be removed by impeachment, members of Congress expelled by the House or Senate. The proof would have to be overwhelming to remove a sitting president.
Obama’s traveling to foreign countries using a fake name. There’s something wrong with that COLB. Even if he could prove there wasn’t, there’s little he could gain. Many people would ask, why didn’t you just turn over your birth certificate and save everyone the hassle? Why look like you are repeating John Kerry’s mistake?
I believe my comments to jveritas was in response to his comment that Corsi is a huge liability for our side, and I should of pointed out that Corsi is of the the Constitution Party, so unless you or jveritas or myself is a card carrying Constitution Party member he is not a huge liability to anyone.
Very good, you've added another dimension to this controversy. Why would they black out the number indeed? So it can't be cross-referenced? Because it's his sister's number, perhaps? This controversy has legs.
I’m reading the book now.
I have only finished a few chapters but I found the chapter on his racial identity struggles enlightening and the black poet in Honolulu as well as the white leftist environment he grew up in.
The Dunhams were pretty odd for their day...especially mom.
Could you please elaborate precisely what Corsi has done lunacy wise and how the Swifties....like ONeil dropped Corsi.
thanks
The most entertaining theory I've heard is, they blacked it out because it's blank. Why blank? Because it says "DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR" instead of "DATE ACCEPTED BY REGISTRAR", the assumption being that a BC doesn't get a number until it's accepted. And the implication is that filed means, She said she dropped him on US soil, but we [State of Hawaii] haven't verified it!
My own theory? The doofus who posted the document had a numerical eek moment: Number! Identity theft! Better black it out! And now the Obama people are laughing at the extra controversy thereby engendered.
What do you get when you cross a moonbat from Kansas with a moon-god worshiper from Kenya?
The 'Rat nominee, 2008, that's who!
Very true, however the longer this is out there, the more people will be convinced he's a fraud. It may simply reinforce other unfavorable thoughts about Obama and harden them. The impact would be such that even if he pulls out a proper certificate at the last minute, people may not be convinced, or they may be compelled by other like suspicions to vote against him.
True, the public has a short memory for these things, but the timing is very bad for Obama on this. The convention is in 10 days and that's not a lot of time to correct public perception.
If you chose to call someone a liar on a public forum, I hope you have some pretty convincing evidence.
Yes, I think her statement regarding the blacking out of the cert number is ridiculous too and makes very little sense, and when this story started up a few months ago, I believe the “Israeli Insider” asked if the state of Hawaii would black out a number before they sent a copy, and she said no, that they would never do that because it would render the document invalid. It’s on one of the older threads, not sure which one, but she seems to be changing her talking points as she goes.
Would you please point me to the link or reference where Obama says he was adopted by Soetoro?
“Here is the quote.
“They responded and apparently it isn’t good enough that he posted his birth certificate,” Okubo said....”
Must be a Democrat. Republicans don’t whine.
“The thing that’s redacted is just our file number,” she said. “Potentially, if you have that number, you could break into the system.”
Well, my... that sure sounds like... um... how shall I say this... um... unlikely.
Hillary looks very pleased to be posing next to Ms. Nipply.
I didn't say all colonies kept birth records. I said one did starting in 1721. There were some others. But of course not all. This was a reponse to the statement that there were no birth records when the constitution was written.
I would assume any citizen of any state could challenge the placement of a name on the state ballot as unqualified. Of course the issue will be decided in a court or by the election officials because there is no procedure for impeaching a candidate.
Should a few candidates, regardless of who they are, be held accountible, perhaps it would serve as a warning; just as posting a severed head on a spike outside a city gate serves as a warning.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.