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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: mnehrling

Excellent CATCH! Obama’s dying his hair!

I call Hairgate!


1,761 posted on 08/16/2008 8:36:44 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: STARWISE

The US Senate in washington (866) 220-0044


1,762 posted on 08/16/2008 8:37:02 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mnehrling
sure he is, look at pics and compare, tonight and Hawaii are even different.
1,763 posted on 08/16/2008 8:37:31 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: Son House; STARWISE
Obama: And if we’re placing a burden on the doctor that says you have to keep alive even a previable child as long as possible and give them as much medical attention as — as is necessary to keep that child alive, then we’re probably crossing the lines in terms of unconstitutionality.

Of course.
All very legal, you see.
Sounds like a page from Dr. Mengele's shop manual.


1,764 posted on 08/16/2008 8:37:48 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Salvation

Obama “steel plant closing on the south side of Chicago”

Another Obama state senator time line failure;

EX:
Obama being worthless as a State Senator in Illinois, many folks voted with their feet,
and left for Minnesota;

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ceIdNP71Lx8J:www.demography.state.mn.us/DownloadFiles/MN-Migrants90s.pdf+moving+from+illinois+to+minnesota&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=24&gl=us

Between 1995 and 2000
Minnesota experienced a
net gain of more than 9,000
black alone people from other
states. Illinois accounted for
the greatest net gain. The
number of black residents
moving to Minnesota from
Illinois exceeded the number
moving in the opposite
direction by almost four to
one.


1,765 posted on 08/16/2008 8:37:52 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Tennessee Nana

abortion is an issue of faith ???????

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

Obama, abortion is an issue of death for an unborn baby...


1,766 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:01 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: txflake

He is trying to make himself appear more ‘presidential’, older and experienced. Fake experience, fake hair dye.


1,767 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:03 PM PDT by mnehring (http://www.heyobamababy.com/obama_baby_cool_cat.htm)
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To: Shortstop7

obama is that law professor the students never want to take and avoid like the plague when there is ANY other professor teaching the same class.

Obama was not having a conversation with america, he was lecturing us about how stupid america is in comparison to him.


1,768 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: hocndoc
>>>>>Who won the night?

McCain, hands down!

I watched Rick Warren's "interviews" with a group of old school conservatives. We all came to the same conclusion. McCain far exceeded our expectations and actually did a masterful job with his answers. His remarks were detailed and to the point.

As usual, Obama's answers were thoughtful, but on just about every issue he came across as highly liberal and extremely inexperienced.

One answer that summed up the entire night. McCain said life begins at conception. Obama said the abortion issue was "above his pay grade".

Game, set, match, McCain.

1,769 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:39 PM PDT by Reagan Man ( McCain Wants My Vote --- this conservative is ambivalent to the odious Johnny Mac)
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To: Earthdweller
Obama will not get any bad press on his performance tonight.. THERE .. fixed it. ;)
1,770 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:49 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Son House
“Obama on Clarence Thomas “not a strong enough jurist or legal thinker””

Just shows once again how Obama knows nothing about most everything he talks about! Justice Thomas is one of the most conservative, constitutionalists to ever serve on the SC! I pray that Justice Thomas gets to serve for many many more years!

1,771 posted on 08/16/2008 8:39:57 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: AliVeritas

Wow...the whole Christian community is on fire tonight.


1,772 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:09 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: mnehrling

I don’t like the grey. Excessive grey ages people.


1,773 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:11 PM PDT by retrokitten ("That could be any mayor!" - Mayor Quimby)
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To: STARWISE

Obama on teachers “reward excellence”

Unions won’t like that, NEA can still vote Clinton at the Convention


1,774 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:15 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: XR7
Obama is the biggest empty-suit I have ever seen.
1,775 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:38 PM PDT by tobyhill (fraud -noun;(1)deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, (2) Obama)
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To: longtermmemmory

visiting friends in the hospital is not equal to same sex marriage...


1,776 posted on 08/16/2008 8:40:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mnehrling

It’s obvious they’re brushing flour or baking powder into his hair to give him ‘experience’!


1,777 posted on 08/16/2008 8:41:08 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Shortstop7

Know your enemy.


1,778 posted on 08/16/2008 8:41:39 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (In my day,Flunking gym was not an option , even for Stupid Kids!)
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To: mnehrling
Obama's hair color

Is this the change he has been trying to make people believe in?

1,779 posted on 08/16/2008 8:41:39 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: STARWISE

The stuttering will probably be called thoughtful answers


1,780 posted on 08/16/2008 8:42:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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