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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: All
Yes, yes and find bad teachers another job.

Talk about straight talk.

1,041 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:41 PM PDT by McGruff (Kick Russia out of the G8, Kick them Now!)
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To: maica

while Barry was messing his pants.

now Berries campaign are messing their pants.

Warren mentions how quick McCains answer are


1,042 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:54 PM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: tiredoflaundry

McCain lists the lib judges he wouldn’t have nominated.

He hits a homer on teachers and schools


1,043 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:56 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Don't Blame Me - I Supported Duncan Hunter)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Fire the teachers

find them another line of work

YEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

competition

VOUCHERS they work....

YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHH


1,044 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Guenevere
Guenevere wrote: Thank-you... ..I'm feeling very ALONE on this thread... ..It's turning into a love fest....Sheeesh Are you all so gullible?

I would rather be with the McCain folks than sitting on the sidelines with you .. sorry.

1,045 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:01 PM PDT by AmericanMade1776
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To: STARWISE

Maybe they were slipped to both candidates, who knows, who cares. Mac is doing great..sorry to the Mac haters:)


1,046 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:02 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: Guenevere

He’s got the right answers,

but so what?


1,047 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:10 PM PDT by HonestConservative (There certainly must be radio in heaven, or at least a rock band.)
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To: SE Mom; All

my dang friends .... frink ... jeeeeeeeze


1,048 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:10 PM PDT by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Guenevere
..you're right, Guennie--it is nice though to watch a liberal pastor and a marxist candidate get their heads handed to them--McCain's turned them into potted plants IMO

I pray for DH to be Sec Def...

1,049 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:14 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Guenevere

I think we are stating fact. McCain is doing 100% better than Obama did.


1,050 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:27 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

McCain is doing outstanding. He uses humor and is relaxed yet his experience and knowledge is strong. He also doesn’t “um, uh..”and waffle.


1,051 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:28 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (GOD BLESS GEORGIA! SAVE GEORGIA, OUR ALLY, NOW!)
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To: tiredoflaundry

Yeah I noticed that too. This is an incredible contrast.


1,052 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:29 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: newnhdad

its the same answer he has given for a while.

I think his consultants have gotten the message.

Now he has given a direct answer. The courts are going to impose full faith and credit on abnormal marriage. It will be up to mccain to follow through.

He did not address if the fed is going to recognize homosexual based marriage via immigration visas for spouses or joint filing for taxation.


1,053 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:35 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: McGruff

Choice in education. The civil rights issue of this century. Absolutely.


1,054 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:37 PM PDT by keepitreal ("I'm Barack Obama and I approve this message. . . until I don't.")
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To: Guenevere

No other choice.

It’s Obama or McCain.

I’ll admit that McCain is doing much better this evening than I thought he would. I’m less inclined to need a designated driver to take me to the polls and pull the lever.


1,055 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:38 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Tennessee Nana

Ohhhhh Nana....can’t believe you wrote that :(


1,056 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:40 PM PDT by Guenevere
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5 point bump in polls?


1,057 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:46 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: All
"Yes, yes, yes and find bad teachers another line of work." - McCain

He even gets a zinger in on Obama sending his children to private school.

1,058 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:47 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: AmericanMade1776

[You don’t need the booze... get up and fight!]

I think, so far, JSMc has hit a solid home run. Home run after home run! Terrorism, education, morality, marriage, and the list goes on and on!!!!!!!!!

His answers are reasoned to the point, NO STUTTERING and direct.


1,059 posted on 08/16/2008 6:31:58 PM PDT by dbacks (Should we really elect a man that would not be allowed to be an airport baggage screener?)
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To: All

“Charter schools work; home schools work; choice and competition work.”

Be still, my heart.

Listen carefully for the sound of thousands of NEA members’ teeth grinding into powder.


1,060 posted on 08/16/2008 6:32:00 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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