Posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sopater
A federal judge has ruled the University of California can deny course credit to Christian high school graduates who have been taught with textbooks that reject evolution and declare the Bible infallible, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles ruled Friday that the school's review committees did not discriminate against Christians because of religious viewpoints when it denied credit to those taught with certain religious textbooks, but instead made a legitimate claim that the texts failed to teach critical thinking and omitted important science and history topics.
Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, told the Chronicle that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."
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Pure evolutionary theory rejects any influence from God in the process but also fails to offer up any mention of whether God was “created” by the same Big Bang event, or God(s) evolved from the primordial ooze, or God was surprised by the whole Big Bang and evolution thing, or God doesn’t exist.
You flunk.
Wow do you seem confused. Science doesn’t make supernatural claims. That is why we call it Science and not Religion. The Big Bang has nothing to do with Biological evolution. If the Big Bang and Biological Evolution are the means that God wishes to use to bring about Creation then who are we to argue?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19956961/
Pope Benedict XVI said the debate raging in some countries — particularly the United States and his native Germany — between creationism and evolution was an “absurdity,” saying that evolution can coexist with faith.
The pontiff, speaking as he was concluding his holiday in northern Italy, also said that while there is much scientific proof to support evolution, the theory could not exclude a role by God.
“They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other,” the pope said. “This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such.”
Here’s what I think. Let the states have their schools and let them pay for them.
“Is it realistic to expect God to bless America while we are rejecting Him?”
Yes because he has for some decades, but he’s going to turn against us soon.
Evolution and the Big Bang have nothing to do with each other and shouldn't be conflated. Evolution describes what happened once life began several billion years ago. It has nothing to do with the creation of the universe or of the earth.
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Is the school subsidized by the people of California? Did this kid’s parents pay for that college? If so, they’re getting taxed without representation.
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I have mixed opinions about this. Not sure what to make of the ruling.
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I’m no theologian, but I’m suprised I don’t hear more about education for
the faithful in regard to the example of Daniel in The Old Testament.
What I gather from Daniel’s story is that in a secular society,
even under compulsion, ACE the secular cirriculum...
and hold onto your faith.
And be prepared to take a stand when necessary and endure the heat.
Daniel even taught his captors something about nutrition!
From your description of the cirriculum at his Christian school,
that sounds like a sensible approach to me (IMHO).
No, because Islam is not a legitimate religion, it’s a death cult.
How does studying evolution make anyone recant their beliefs?
I also have mixed feelings. Before I make up my mind, I’d like to know if UC is only targeting Christians in Christian high schools. What about home schoolers who use alternative texts? What about ‘un-schoolers’ who may use no text? What about Muslim high schools?
“How faulty must your understanding of the subject must be...”
He/she obviously knows more than you if you can’t see that the goal of Evolution is the godman.
Where do you even get this notion? The idea that evolution is necessarily progressive has been discarded years ago. Evolution is about species adapting to present environmental circumstances and does not predict the future.
It was. That is why your philosophical answer was was unacceptable.
I teach a biology class with Bob Jones. It is the best written biology text I’ve ever seen, and covers so much ground it is in two volumes.
I’ve taught from others and find this the best.
Now it is true they don’t approve of evolution, and they cover the subject from a creationist viewpoint. They also cover how we are guardians of the earth and that a right spirit anchors the scientist.
They also put the history of science in a historical perspective, something secular texts are unable to do because they don’t understand how religion influences the science. It makes science so much more understandable, when you realize where all these great minds were coming from. For instance, you can’t understand Kepler until you understand he was a man of faith. He wanted to be a theologican and came to understand that by seeking to understand the universe, he was seeking God.
These are some of the things that make the Christian text different from the secular messes out today. It has a wholeness, of completeness, that secular texts lack. I get the same feeling reading history texts. They can’t mention God, so they have no understanding of reasoning people used.
Modern secular science texts and christian ones are not compatable, in my opinion. Secular texts have a strong emphasis on everything being chance. IMHO, they leave kids feeling very uncertain in an unstable world. Christian texts emphasize providence, the sure hand of a Creator guiding the formation of life and the cosmos.
A good teacher understands that kids will graduate into a modern society, and makes sure they understand all points of view. I use secular texts and readings as an adjunct in the subject, and have at least one class where the kids are assigned debate topics, having to take both sides.
I can tell you, as far as pure biology goes (understanding, for instance, physiology or botany) that a text like Bob Jones is superior, and the kids come out with excellent understanding.
This is just a power play by zealot secular evolutionists to attack Christianity. They don’t really care about the kids knowledge.
Sorry for the long post, but I do have some experience on this. I have spent many hours struggling over picking science texts.
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