Posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sopater
A federal judge has ruled the University of California can deny course credit to Christian high school graduates who have been taught with textbooks that reject evolution and declare the Bible infallible, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles ruled Friday that the school's review committees did not discriminate against Christians because of religious viewpoints when it denied credit to those taught with certain religious textbooks, but instead made a legitimate claim that the texts failed to teach critical thinking and omitted important science and history topics.
Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, told the Chronicle that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."
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The Supreme Court ruled that atheism has all the hallmarks of a religion.
I suggested to Daemin that he/she do a Google search on the words: Supreme Court atheism is religion.
At 218 you said
"By the way, Secular Humanists break the same First Commandment with their religion when they oppress Christians."
That they break the First Commandment - "Thou shall have no other God before me" is self evident in that they are secular humanists, rather than Christians or Jews - anyone who doesn't worship that God is breaking that commandment. This should be quite obvious to anyone but apparently we need to have you explain it to us.
I am willing to bet the farm that historically the graduates of these Christian schools have done ***wonderfully** well in the UC colleges and universities.
It isn't about the ability of these Christian students to take and pass courses. No!, No!, No!
It **is** about jamming an atheistic Secular Humanist finger right in the eye of Christians.
It **is** about power of the atheistic Secular Humanists to put pressure on these schools to conform their teaching to the anointed will of atheist Secular Humanist **PRIESTS**!.
In my opinion quite a few canaries have dropped dead in the mine shaft in recent years and Christians are not paying attention. The Secular Humanists want believing Christians to consigned to the catacombs of our culture.
**THAT** is what this is all about.
Yes! I am shouting. I am exasperated with the dullness of Christians.
You agree that a science course that teaches that the earth is 6000 years old and can be proved since the constants of the speed of light and radioactive half-lifes are not really constant but have changes drastically in the last 8000 years should be certified?
You agree that a geology course that teaches that the entire earth was flooded about 5000 years ago when there is no scientific, archeological our historical record of such an event should be certified?
You agree that a science course that teaches that the earth is 6000 years old and can be proved since the constants of the speed of light and radioactive half-lifes are not really constant but have changes drastically in the last 8000 years should be certified?
You agree that a geology course that teaches that the entire earth was flooded about 5000 years ago when there is no scientific, archeological our historical record of such an event should be certified?
Is this merely a rhetorical statement or do you want me to address your question?
Your rhetorical(?) question above has **consequences**!
There are two ways a culture can not keep the First Commandment:
1) They can do so willfully. Most Atheistic Secular Humanist fall into this category.
2) Unknowingly.
In both cases the people of the culture are worse off!
In the U.S. we see:
**We have a Democratic candidate for **president** that voted to allow babies born alive after an abortion to **DIE** on the table or be deliberately **killed** through willful neglect!!!! ( Ugg!)
* partial birth abortion.
*Millions of babies aborted each year.
*We have homosexuality forced on kindergarten children by the government in its schools.
*There are orgy-like parades every year in cities around the nation to celebrate sodomy.
*The Catholic Church in Massachusetts can no longer help with adoption because **they** are called biased.
* Christians must hide their religion if they have any hope of being awarded a Ph.D. or secure a teaching post in a university.
*The divorce rate is higher and more children are in single mother homes.
*Government high schools have “Days of Silence” and week long “Vagina Monologue” festivals.
*The disabled subjected to a painful death by dehydration and starvation!
These are only a few ways that our own nation is worse off.
In other countries:
Have you read the book “Shogun”? There was a reason that the Indian tribes rose up to overthrew Montezuma. The “peaceful” Hawaiians used to kill people and bury their bodies under the posts of houses of their kings! They killed at birth the second born of twins. They did these awful things until the Christians **stopped** these ghastly practices.
What we see in cultures that don't worship the God of Abraham is slavery, gulags, concentration camps, women as chattel, killing of humans by the 100 millions, human sacrifice, infanticide of baby girls, abandonment of the elderly, war lords, torture, and violation of what we consider First Amendment human Rights... etc.
So!...Yes! The farther a culture ( in the U.S. or elsewhere) strays from the principles given to us by the God of Abraham, ( knowingly or unknowingly) the worse off is life for everyone in that culture. ( Everyone except the rulers.)
Have you finished replacing the word "secular" with "athiest" in all your historcal texts yet?
Get **government** out of the business of certifying education courses!!!
Education is **never** religiously neutral. No matter what the government does regarding education it **will** establish the religious worldview of some and trash that of others.
If government is using government schools to certify education courses, then the **only** solution is for government to begin the process of privatizing its schools.
In a private school situation there are **no** First Amendment establishment issues. These matters are freely and agreeably determined in a private setting.
If this case had been these Christian high schools vs. a **private** university it would never had gone to court. It is before the court because their are **government** First Amendment "establishment of religion" issues.
You agree that a geology course that teaches that the entire earth was flooded about 5000 years ago when there is no scientific, archeological our historical record of such an event should be certified?
If I ran a **private** university and the students from this school routinely did well in my university, I would ignore any certification issues. My bet is that the graduates of this Christian high school have a **long** history of doing **very** well in UC universities and colleges.
I would never accept a position in **any** government school of any kind. Why? Because it is impossible for any school to be religiously neutral, and I would not want to be in the business of establishing one citizen's religion and trashing that of another.
I most often use the expression atheistic Secular Humanism. The word “atheistic” is very likely redundant.
Definition from Merriam Webster:
Secular Humanism: “humanistic philosophy viewed as a nontheistic religion antagonistic to traditional religion”
By your account it has to be. If there can only be "god-centered" or "godless", and "godless" means "atheist" then the classical definition of the word "secular" is destroyed.
Have you finished replacing "secular" with "atheist" in all of your historical texts yet?
Secular Humanism does not mean “secular” ( not overtly religious)
First Aid does not mean “first” ( as the initial one or initial event).
If there can only be “god-centered” and “godless” what is “secular”? There is nothing left that fits the definition of the word.
Did you bother reading your citation? It doesn’t address the question of whether the exact same mutation occurred more than once in th same population. In fact it says the exact mutation in the second group hasn’t been pinpointed.
The studies I cited followed the evolution of populations descended from a single cell, eliminating the question of multiple identical mutations.
single cell organisms don't have sex.
And how is that relevant to the discussion?
Actually, that pretty much wrong anyway. Lateral gene transfer is common.
What if you ran a university that taught that the earth was created in 6 days about 6000 years ago and gave a final exam containing those questions. Would you mark them wrong if a student answered that the earth was over a billion years old?
Godless or God-centered. Of course, there are subsets to these worldviews.
But...Music for instance can be religious or secular. Secular music can promote religion, be neutral to it, or be detrimental religious belief.
Ah!...But...Schools are either one or the other. They either promote and establish a child's religion or they are hostile to it. There is no middle ground.
A godless school does not pray to God daily or hourly, or before test, or when there is an accident. A school must make a decision. It has daily or hourly prayer to that child's specific God or it doesn't. The is no middle ground here.
A godless school does not refer to the child's religious teachings of his specific God to uphold or refute an argument.
A godless school does not read from the child's scriptures on a daily basis or use the child's scriptures to clarify a moral or ethical point.
In a godless school, the teacher will very likely **never** refer to the historical events in a child's religion to strengthen the moral and ethical values of a lesson.
Godless schools do not allow the child to freely refer to his religious beliefs or read from his religious scriptures as he wishes in class or even for most of the day.
A godless school does not allow the child to freely promote or discuss his religion, or freely hand out religious written material with other classmates.
A godless school will assign the child to work and play with children whose beliefs are hostile to the child's worldview, and allow those with hostile religious beliefs to undermine his family's religious traditions.
A godless school will schedule events such as theater, sporting competitions, and dances on days that the child considers holy: Sunday, Friday evening, and Saturday, and religious festivals.
A godless school will tempt even the youngest children with delicious looking and smelling foods that are proscribed by the child's religion: Coffee, caffeine, unKosher foods, pork, milk and meat together. A godless school will allow children to tempt each other with these foods.
A godless school will allow other children to wear highly fashionable outfits and allow them to tempt the religious child with clothing that will cause him to drift from his religion.
Will all godless schools do all of the above. All godless schools share a number of key items of the above that define them as godless. The other points may or may not be consistently shared by all godless schools.
All of the above teaches the child that his prayer, scriptures, holidays, foods, traditions, and customs are irrelevant to getting along in the world and unnecessary in evaluating anything or everything in his cultural environment. This is NOT a religiously neutral lesson.
God centered schools (that conform the religious subset of the child) will do none of the above. These schools are extensions of the religious teachings found at home.
This is why there must be complete separation of school and state. No matter what government does it will establish the religious worldview of some ( godless or God-centered) and destroy that of others.
Government schools are a freedom of conscience and First Amendment **nightmare**!!! This case of UC and the Christian school is merely one of **thousands** of similar conflicts.
We must begin the process of privatizing education in the U.S.
What if you ran a university that taught that the earth was created in 6 days about 6000 years ago and gave a final exam containing those questions. Would you mark them wrong if a student answered that the earth was over a billion years old?
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I would refuse to work for a school like that. Thankfully, the atheistic Secular Humanist still allow us the freedom to choose are reject a jobs.
If a government school must be either explicitly “god-centered” or explicitly “godless”, doesn’t that implicitly make that government subject to the same criteria?
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