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Judge Says University Can Deny Course Credit to Christian Graduates Taught With Creationism Texts
Fox News ^ | August 13, 2008

Posted on 08/13/2008 9:44:45 AM PDT by Sopater

A federal judge has ruled the University of California can deny course credit to Christian high school graduates who have been taught with textbooks that reject evolution and declare the Bible infallible, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles ruled Friday that the school's review committees did not discriminate against Christians because of religious viewpoints when it denied credit to those taught with certain religious textbooks, but instead made a legitimate claim that the texts failed to teach critical thinking and omitted important science and history topics.

Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, told the Chronicle that the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: academia; atheismandstate; christianschools; confesstothestate; creation; creationism; education; evolution; heresy; highereducation; homeschool; judiciary; publikskoolz; ruling; uc
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To: luckystarmom

Be weary of the ruling and the State of CA, not your church school.


121 posted on 08/13/2008 5:57:23 PM PDT by Gemsbok (shark- waiting, circling, tasting, fresh blood on the obamination trail)
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To: Sopater

Another “Big Government” School Monopoly power play supported by those who support Big Government and the far left.


122 posted on 08/13/2008 6:02:16 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: tacticalogic
There can be only “god-centered” or “godless”, neither of which are “god-neutral”, so there is not and can be no “god-neutral”.
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Exactly! It is for this reason that education is never religiously neutral. Government should begin getting out of the education business.

123 posted on 08/13/2008 7:15:18 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic

So how much money do you want?
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OK..So?...Are you agreeing the government schools can not be religiously neutral?

Is the problem now merely one of money and the logistics of extracting government from the education business?


124 posted on 08/13/2008 7:18:11 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Exactly!

Then the word "secular" is obsolete, and needs to be replaced with "atheist" everywhere it appears. We can start here.

It is for this reason that education is never religiously neutral. Government should begin getting out of the education business.

How much money do you want?

125 posted on 08/13/2008 7:21:11 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

How much money do you want?
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Probably half of what is spent on government education now.

Private schools do twice the job on half the money.


126 posted on 08/13/2008 7:27:01 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Probably half of what is spent on government education now.

Private schools do twice the job on half the money.

Some do, others not so much. What if someone says it costs more than that for them to provide a proper indoctrination in their particular religion? Do they get more money?

127 posted on 08/13/2008 7:32:05 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cookcounty

http://www.greentextbooks.org/?page=shop/browse&category_id=208


128 posted on 08/13/2008 7:32:12 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Sopater

Good!

Its like Nasa not hiring people who believe the moon is made of cheese.

Creationism isn’t science, its belief pretending to be science.

Thankfully the judge gets it.


129 posted on 08/13/2008 7:45:48 PM PDT by Redcoat1982 (A fast shutter speed of 1/2000 sec ensured that the bounding basset hound was frozen in the frame)
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To: ColdWater

Well, I don’t know if that verse applies to dinosaurs, but none of the three, elephant, hippo, or rhino have tails like a cedar tree.

But the bible is not a book written to explicitly describe scientific happenings. It does have some remarkable scientific descriptions way ahead of its time, though.

By the way, the book of Job is considered the oldest book. So if dinosaurs were in any book, that would be the one.


130 posted on 08/13/2008 8:03:57 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: I still care
By the way, the book of Job is considered the oldest book. So if dinosaurs were in any book, that would be the one.

If dinosaurs were kicking around with humans during the past several thousand years we would find their bones in archaeological sites.

We do not find them. We find just about every other critter, all the way from minnow bones up to the bones of extinct mammoths and mastodons, but no dinos.

Of course, maybe we're looking in layers that are 65 million years too young, eh?

131 posted on 08/13/2008 8:20:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; I still care
"Of course, maybe we're looking in layers that are 65 million years too young, eh?"

All the layers are the same age moron.

132 posted on 08/13/2008 8:25:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: editor-surveyor
All the layers are the same age moron.

You will have to present some evidence for that. Even in the archaeological sites I study I can document that various layers have different ages.

133 posted on 08/13/2008 8:27:45 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Sopater

As long as they know the material..who the he&* cares what textbook they were using....somehow there must be a civil liberties violation here.....


134 posted on 08/13/2008 8:28:18 PM PDT by mo
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To: ColdWater; Sopater
"If the earth was only 6000 years old, man would have walked with the dinosaurs and it would have been recorded in the bible."

And it is. You should read the Bible some time; its amazing what you'll find. There is as much about dynos as there is about any of the wild creatures. Interaction with wild animals has always been very limited.

135 posted on 08/13/2008 8:30:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: Sopater

Separation of church and state only applies “if the control freaks want it to”. They don’t even understand the definition. Knowing that I’m preaching to the choir..I still have to say it...It’s so that we can have the freedom to worship without GOVT intrusion. This is a big fat intrusion.


136 posted on 08/13/2008 8:33:25 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: Coyoteman

You have no way of documenting anything.

You can state your uninformed opinion, but that is all it is.


137 posted on 08/13/2008 8:34:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: DonaldC
"...like public schools (and their texts) are on any more solid ground ..."

When I went to college in the 90's you wouldn't believe how many instructors said the books wouldn't be used because of how many mistakes were in them... Avg cost $90 for worthless books that we were required to purchase.

138 posted on 08/13/2008 8:35:40 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: Juan Medén
Rack one up for the thought police. Regulation of the mind — the next big government program.
lol... yeah, next I'm going demand that my children get college credit for an arithmetic textbook that teaches 2+2=5. College give course credit for classes they believe meet their academic standards. That's the prerogative and *duty* as a post secondary institution.
139 posted on 08/13/2008 8:36:44 PM PDT by ketsu
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To: ketsu

This is clearly an overreach. Universities have typically accepted transcripts and SAT/ACT scores as the basis for admission. This is the first instance, that I know of, that a University has refused an accredited transcript based on the content of the course. If the state has already accredited the content of these courses, why does UC have the right to discredit them? Do you mean to tell me that I may be denied entrance to a university because of something my high school math teacher might have taught? If that is your position, then you are primed for the Brave New World.


140 posted on 08/13/2008 8:49:28 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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