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FBI to Review Raid That Killed Mayor's Dogs
The Washington Post ^ | August 8, 2008 | Rosalind S. Helderman and Aaron C. Davis

Posted on 08/08/2008 6:41:44 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner

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A scary consequence from these "no-knock warrants"...

4 gunmen bust doors, yell ‘FBI,’ loot home (Why No-Knock Warrants need to be banned)

61 posted on 08/08/2008 9:45:55 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Manly Warrior

MW, we agree. I was ridiculing the way the LEO groupies post.

The fact that 3 Freepers misread my post indicates two things:

1. I should write more clearly

2. This is something many of us here feel passionately about. How can we get our elected officials (who are proudly “tough on crime” to realize that we won’t tolerate this any more?


62 posted on 08/08/2008 9:48:45 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: ko_kyi

I penned my comment and posted before reading the follow-on posts-if your comments here were intneded to be sarcastic in nature, fair enough. I do not sense sarcasm though, nor do I see any common symbols or acronyms to indicate it as well.

Hopefully we do not have to endure the same treatment the good mayor (unless you know otherwise?) and his family did.

Regards


63 posted on 08/08/2008 9:50:34 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Robbin

I totally agree with you. I normally support cops but this is an outrage.....shooting these two beautiful dogs apparently for sport...I agree and hope the maypor and his wife own the bastards who participated in this travesty of justice and own their sposes, their children. their homes, their future earnings and everything they possess....and afterwards the useless SOB’s should get a Chinese dirt nap and have their organs given to the needy.


64 posted on 08/08/2008 9:59:27 AM PDT by Postman
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To: ko_kyi
I find myself sometimes in the same boat editorially...

When a few LEOs on a flawed no-knock get hurt or killed by a citizen with proper firearms and skills (whether or not he is killed or wounded in the event), maybe the states will re-look this foolishness and put serious interest into such warrants. Perhaps then the SCOTUS will be prompted to make it right.

The proper weapon to resist a home invasion is not the usual “thief in the night” weapon, but rather a high velocity carbine (not pistol caliber) or rifle with tough bullets-home invaders will likely be armored and well armed/organized.

The event in Wisconsin that made the news (again) with awards being made to the botched raid officers: They were most fortunate that the home owner did not grab his 30/30 or similar deer rifle and start banging away through the door... 3A armor stops buck/slug and most pistol rounds, but not too many hi-velocity rifle rounds....

God Bless & MOLON LABE

65 posted on 08/08/2008 10:02:23 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret) "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: ko_kyi

Thank you for the clarification. I was unable discern any sarcasm in your original post even the finely tuned sarcasm that I now see is there....perhaps labels?

I tend to give cops the benefit of the doubt but this is so far beyond reasonable.


66 posted on 08/08/2008 10:32:45 AM PDT by Postman
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To: ko_kyi
No; the fact that 3 Freepers misread your post indicates they don't comprehend English: Optimistic, aren't you. Seems like the groupies are slow to jump in today. How long to get a bingo on the list?

No Bingo for you -- yet!       ;^)

67 posted on 08/08/2008 10:36:32 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: brityank

67 Posts and no one defending the boys with their toys yet? What gives?


68 posted on 08/08/2008 10:41:05 AM PDT by keat
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To: ko_kyi
You might criticize, but you would call the cops in a split second if someone was breaking into your house

Not anymore I wouldn't, I would call the cops for body removable only. I don't like to even see cops anymore.

69 posted on 08/08/2008 11:04:28 AM PDT by packrat35 (If mccain is the answer-it must have been a REALLY stupid question)
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To: ko_kyi
They just want to go home to their families at night, so they can't take any chances

Lamest excuse ever! The rest of us would like the same priviledge. These no knock raids prevent that. But hey-the cops can sleep good so its all good-NOT!!

70 posted on 08/08/2008 11:06:22 AM PDT by packrat35 (If mccain is the answer-it must have been a REALLY stupid question)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
The cops would not have conducted an assault on the sitting mayor's house without orders from the very top.

This would have been something that the police chief might very well have done with great glee.

Police Chief Melvin C. High is black, and the mayor is white.

Were the races reversed, everybody would be screaming "racism."

It's OK this way, though.

71 posted on 08/08/2008 12:01:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: packrat35
They just want to go home to their families at night, so they can't take any chances.

If they "don't want to take any chances," then they should be honest about it and find another line of work.

They don't mind taking chances with other people's lives though, do they?

72 posted on 08/08/2008 12:02:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Public policy should never become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. -- Ike Eisenhower)
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To: Travis McGee

One may shoot the dog outside the door but the one inside will raise hell and the first person through the door is going there !


73 posted on 08/08/2008 3:46:50 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: KeyLargo
Sure, Obama is going to immediately turn to America's sheriffs to get out there and bust heads.

/NOT!

74 posted on 08/08/2008 4:06:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: angkor

This is the PG county SHERIFF, not the PG cops.


75 posted on 08/08/2008 4:07:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wonder Warthog; Robbin
Cops intercepted the parcel. The Sheriff's office agreed to undertake the delivery, which they did. In fact, they knocked on the door and someone got the parcel and put it on a table. They later on did the entry in force.

What they didn't do is first announce that they had a warrant ~ not that they didn't "knock".

Which means this really wasn't a "no knock" raid but rather something else.

There will be a reward (in Heaven probably) for someone who can come up with a name for a "unannounced knock raid".

76 posted on 08/08/2008 4:11:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Free Descendant

This was the Sheriff’s department. Are you proposing eliminating the job of Sheriff?


77 posted on 08/08/2008 4:12:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Knitebane
The G-Men took out Dillinger because Elliot Ness, also of substantial Sa'ami ancestry (his folks came directly from Lapland), simply refused to do so.

He kept his focus on the Italians and Sicilians in Chicago. In fact there are some very good analyses on the internet regarding the possibility that it was actually Dillinger who did the St. Valentine's Day deal, and quite possibly to help out his ol'buddy Elliot.

If Ness had been of a different ethnicity, e.g. English, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, German, Polish, Russian, etc., he might well have taken down Dillinger himself.

78 posted on 08/08/2008 4:17:09 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Fundamentally Fair
In the East some counties are so urbanized they are called "Urban Counties" in law, and usually have a County Manager form of government.

Consequently they have both a Sheriff and a Police Department. In most cases the Sheriff's office serves civil action notices, carries out evictions, and runs the jail.

79 posted on 08/08/2008 4:19:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; ko_kyi
ko_kyi, don't believe he does that all the time. I distinctly recalled he was on the wrong side in the Bridegroom Killing in New York, and he may have copped a plea himself in the case involving the US Marshall's Service thugs who shot up a kid pulling out of a parking lot.

Depends on the case which side folks are going to support. Here they killed the dogs first. Frankly I don't care for dogs all that much and this never bothers me. If they'd shot grandma I'd been up in arms.

Unfortunately for the debate this involves Prince George's County Maryland ~ Stenny Hoyer country ~ and I try to stay away from that place as much as possible ~ this event might seem unusual, but in PG it's normal. And it's not a racial thing either. Black people run the county these days but it's the same old stuff that happened when white people ran the county.

PG's problems go far beyond what the Sheriff, the PG police and the various town police are up to.

In fact, the place might have improved over the days when they didn't have a swat team and telephones.

80 posted on 08/08/2008 4:26:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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