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ACLU Changes its webpage on the 2nd Amendment
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Posted on 07/03/2008 10:33:37 AM PDT by jim_trent

So, we’ve been getting a lot of comments about the ACLU’s stance on the Second Amendment. For those of you who didn’t catch our response in the blog comments, here it is again:

The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right. Therefore, we disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller. While the decision is a significant and historic reinterpretation of the right to keep and bear arms, the decision leaves many important questions unanswered that will have to be resolved in future litigation, including what regulations are permissible, and which weapons are embraced by the Second Amendment right that the Court has now recognized.


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KEYWORDS: aclu; banglist; heller; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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In other words, they don't care what the SC does. They ain't going to change.
1 posted on 07/03/2008 10:33:37 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent

Ironically, the ACLU was never about protecting civil rights such as self defense and owning firearms.

It’s just “yet another” red diaper baby front organization that tries to mask its Communist Revolutionary goals inside a “patriotic American” facade.


2 posted on 07/03/2008 10:36:17 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jim_trent

The Federalist Papers states without equivocation that the 2nd amendment was designed to PROTECT us from a well-armed militia under the control of a despot.

What is this “collective” right cr@p? Is the 1st amendment a collective right too? What about the 5th?


3 posted on 07/03/2008 10:37:21 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (ANWR would look great in pumps.)
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To: jim_trent
Ah...the good old, Lennist, Stalinist, Maoist...and now Obamahdi "collective".

They reveal themselves for the marxists that they are. Which is exactly what Obama is too.

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA - CHANGE YOU CAN COUNT ON, BUT DO NOT WANT

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA


NOBAMA '08 SIGHTED IN EMMETT, ID, JULY 2ND, 2008

4 posted on 07/03/2008 10:38:38 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: jim_trent

The American Civil Liberties Union: Fighting for YOUR civil liberties....um, well.... for the civil liberties WE think you should have.


5 posted on 07/03/2008 10:38:45 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SlowBoat407
What to expect from the anti Christian lawyers union
6 posted on 07/03/2008 10:38:54 AM PDT by M1D
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To: jim_trent

While I see the ACLU as a collective group of liberal @-holes, I see each individual member of the ACLU as a liberal @-hole.


7 posted on 07/03/2008 10:38:56 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: jim_trent
This (below), from the comments section of that ACLU page, is priceless:

Q: How does an ACLU lawyer count to 10?
A: 1, 3, 4, 5 . . .

8 posted on 07/03/2008 10:38:58 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: SlowBoat407

Do you have a cite on that? I am not doubting the veracity, I would like to use the cite in debates with leftists.


9 posted on 07/03/2008 10:39:10 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: SlowBoat407

The ACLU needs to be shut down. today. Or better yet, tomorrow.


10 posted on 07/03/2008 10:40:25 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: jim_trent
So will one of these ACLU losers tell me just where any of the rights in the Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, are "collective rights?"

Yes, one of the Amendments reserves powers to the several states (those not delegated to the Federal Government)-- but those are sovereign powers rather than rights.

What is a collective right? And does a militia need to be sanctioned by a state government to be "legitimate?"

Losers

11 posted on 07/03/2008 10:40:42 AM PDT by Lysandru
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To: jim_trent

That is why I am not a member. They ARE right on every aspect of the Constitution except the 2nd Amendment (their white-wine spritzer sipping, PC, effette sissy membership can’t dare be offended).

Demonstration of intellectual cowardice and dishonest.

Heller is the greatest triumph of individual rights in a coon’s age and these idiots are on the outside.

Poetic justice.


12 posted on 07/03/2008 10:45:32 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (Truth: The anti-drug war.)
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Attorneys Colluding to Lie and Undermine
13 posted on 07/03/2008 10:47:12 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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“the decision leaves many important questions unanswered that will have to be resolved in future litigation,”......

And there you have the ACLU’s mode of operation in two words....”future litigation” to undermine our liberties as granted by the founding fathers. These radical whack jobs will twist and bend everything to promote socialism legally in the courts so they can then say: “It’s the law!...you must obey it!” Damn! I hate them!....


14 posted on 07/03/2008 10:47:36 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: jim_trent

Good, we need this stand for the election.


15 posted on 07/03/2008 10:47:41 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Bryan24

They will fight for any sexual related rights. They favor unlimited sexual freedom, and want to lower age of consent to age 12. Other things, like gun rights, they aren’t as “liberal” to argue for a person’s clear unfettered rights to guns.


16 posted on 07/03/2008 10:47:43 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Lysandru

A “collective” right is a way of saying that the thing being described is not in fact a right, while pretending to say that it is.

On the other hand, if you happen to run across any groups of 30 or so people fused together I guess you can call them a “collective.” Otherwise, we are all individuals and there are only individual rights or no rights.


17 posted on 07/03/2008 10:49:39 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: SlowBoat407
What is this “collective” right cr@p? Is the 1st amendment a collective right too? What about the 5th?

Only if those 1st and 5th Amendment rights are exercised in an un-PC manner.

This case and the ACLU's reaction to it illustrate, as has nothing before, the utter fraud that the ACLU is and always has been. It was and is nothing but a Leftist front organization masquerading as a "civil rights" group. I've heard that it is losing a fair number of members over this issue, and that warms the cockles of my heart like few other things.

The basic, inherent human rights protected in the main body of the Constitution and in the Bill of Rights are not a buffet where you can pick and choose what you like and toss the rest: they are an all-or-nothing proposition. The most brilliant thing about the Constitution is that it can be amended if enough people think that such would be proper.

So I have a challenge for the red diaper doper babies at the ACLU: grow a pair and propose an amendment that negates the 2nd Amendment and with it the Heller decision. Until then ACLU, kindly do the American People a huge favor and STFU.

18 posted on 07/03/2008 10:49:47 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: MBB1984

Thre are some wonderful citations in the opinion which can be used for discussions with liberals. Some of them come from the Stevens opinion in which he misinterprets history or the citation.


19 posted on 07/03/2008 10:49:58 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: Natchez Hawk

They are right about separation of church and state?

They are right that Osama would have the right to a fair and speedy trial?

They are right about partial birth abortion?

Are you sure you clicked the right bookmark?


20 posted on 07/03/2008 10:52:58 AM PDT by Raycpa
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