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The Great Obama "birth certificate" debate: Who has the EDGE?
The Greater Evil ^ | 06/30/08 | Polarik

Posted on 06/30/2008 11:23:03 AM PDT by Polarik

CLICK HERE for my latest post.

First of all, PJ...you were RIGHT about the hidden seal

Many thanks to Texas Darlin and Greg Gelembiuk, but props to the GIMP development team (http://www.gimp.org/) for providing the software used to examine these images.

* QUESTION: Are there seals hidden from view on the "Certificate of Live Birth" images posted to (a) the Daily Kos. (b) BarackObama.com (aka "Fight the Smears") and/or (c) the two images posted on OPENDNA's PhotoBucket account?

* ANSWER: YES to (a), but a big, fat NO to (b) and (c)

Basically, I believe I put to rest a flurry of posts on the other blogs that are showing off an enhanced version of the Daily Kos image which reveals what appears to be a seal hidden from view.

PJ pointed this out to me. Without the use of any filters, PJ could see tghe ripples in the Kos image.

And, my response to finding the hidden seal is BIG WOOF!

As I mentioned earlier on, the State of Hawaii does not issue uncertified COLB's -- either you have a COLB that bears the embossed seal and signature block on it, or you have zilch.

Therefore, ergo, at some point in the creation of the first fake image, there had to have been an actual COLB or a copy of an actual COLB.

Either way, you cannot create a fake COLB from thin air. You have to start with something that is a copy of one.

Speaking of "zilch," that is exactly what Obama has provided to America to prove where, when and to whom he was born.

Obama does have some s'plainin' to do.

We've read his "Audacity of Hype."

We've read his "Schemes of my Birth Certificate."

Now, please Sen. Obama...

Put up or shut up!


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To: Soliton

Right-wingers? Bwhahaha!

I hardly think Larry Johnson over at No Quarter or Texas Darlin could- by any stretch- be called right-wingers.

There are some hard-core Hillary supporters who are looking at Certigate at least as closely as we are.

If Obama wants to make us all look like fools by producing a documented certificate of his birth place and date- then so be it. I say- let him.

Meanwhile- anyone who’s not just the least bit curious what all the fuss is about hasn’t read up on this carefully. That’s fine. But there are some pretty bright, sane and grounded folks who are scratching their heads over this.


21 posted on 06/30/2008 12:02:40 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Buckhead

Over here


22 posted on 06/30/2008 12:04:42 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Soliton

BINGO!!!


23 posted on 06/30/2008 12:10:43 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel!!)
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To: SE Mom
There are some hard-core Hillary supporters who are looking at Certigate at least as closely as we are.

Yup. And we know why.

24 posted on 06/30/2008 12:15:31 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Soliton
Ronald Reagan had the way to solve your gordian knot of perplexity. "Trust but Verify". We are verifying!

But tell me, given such an imagination of what could happen, what might happen, and how much everyone will laugh at us and call us fools, how do you ever get anything at all done? I mean, after all, there are many times when "someone else" is not going to be there to do it for you.

25 posted on 06/30/2008 12:19:11 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Red Steel

Naturally- it will throw the Dems into a tailspin and give Hillary a leg up.

The point though- is to learn the facts- whether they clear Obama and his campaign or not.


26 posted on 06/30/2008 12:19:36 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
"Naturally- it will throw the Dems into a tailspin and give Hillary a leg up

" ------------

Somehow that's that the mental image I really wanted thank you very much . . .

27 posted on 06/30/2008 12:26:52 PM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Polarik

Please quit posting your articles as ‘Activism’. Activism is reserved for news/activism of the FR chapters.


28 posted on 06/30/2008 12:30:01 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Polarik; All

Was anyone watching PBS last night?...
Now that the laughter has quelled a bit...

There was segment about the father of digital image forensics, Dartmouth professor Hany Farid. He now works with Adobe in developing software to determine the certitude of documents such as these. He was on Nova science Now last night and would be the expert to contact imo. If his name has already been raised, pardon the redundancy. You can view the segment online at you know where, and it is VERY compelling.

“This self-proclaimed “accidental scientist” is a digital detective inventing new ways to tell if photos have been faked.”

the Deets


29 posted on 06/30/2008 12:53:16 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican)
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To: kingu
Why, oh why, are we continuing to debate this stupid gotcha issue? Even if he is not constitutionally able to take the office of President, you know that the Supreme Court will rule that Obama meets the intentions of the law or some other slight of hand bull.

It's precisely because that's how the left handles EVERY issue!

Every issue, big or small, is treated like a "gotcha" issue by the left. If a conservative brings it up, it's automatically "mean spirited", "petty" or "partisan".

The fact is, the qualifications for POTUS are in the Constitution! That makes this a BIG DEAL. If the left will ignore clearly defined restrictions on government offices, explicitly outlined in the Constitution, then what could they possibly care about any other so-called "bigger" issues?

30 posted on 06/30/2008 12:54:58 PM PDT by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn't make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: Beagle8U
Amen Brother great response to those who dream about so called bigger issues! Yes, you run along a go do that while others work on exposing his phony BC.

Anyone who doesn't think that this is a critical issue isn't thinking, or they are hoping that we don't nail the Obamination on this issue. Or they want Obamination to win to teach dumb Americans another lesson like the 8 years of the Clintoons.

31 posted on 06/30/2008 12:56:23 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (EA)
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To: kingu
Can we get back to the millions of issues where Obama is not just wrong, but in absolute opposition to the vast majority of the people of the United States?

As you yourself state, quite correctly, there are a million issues to tackle. If everyone works on the same thing, only a few get covered. Expertise and passion vary, and people select the issues where they can contribute the most. It's how things get done.

Look, everyone has specialties, and different things ignite different people. It's very efficient, actually. The downside is that the efforts of others can seem wastes of time when compared to the urgency of our own pet causes. Fortunately, most of learn to co-exist. I'd hate to see the hospital where the neurologists or endocrinologists could demand that the orthopedists give it up and devote their time to the really important stuff.

32 posted on 06/30/2008 1:06:29 PM PDT by Eroteme
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Obama’s mamma is now dead and cannot object to a review of her passport records. Her passport record will indicate when she came back to the U.S. and any minor child that accompanied her at that time. BINGO


33 posted on 06/30/2008 1:16:27 PM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.cailomes)
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To: Red Steel

Here is a solution.
Post an article or advertise in every area hospital, city , state or country where it is suspected BHO was born.

Offer: “ $5,000 reward to any person who can legally attest to claim they attended the birth of the wanna-bee USA president.”

I’m actually not entirely joking, time is money, and the time spent examining the BC, which could have been faked or negoitated for his benefit 46 years ago is not going to prove a thing. Get some eye-witnesses that will swear to the event and then the truth will be told. Or still not!


34 posted on 06/30/2008 1:20:00 PM PDT by Gemsbok
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To: kingu

1 minute satirical Obama video here:

http://tinyurl.com/6fsrwg

If ‘Not Found” screen pops up, just close it and push “play.”

Hurry before some diversity loving (RIGHT!) Obamaniac at YouTube pulls it.


35 posted on 06/30/2008 1:24:30 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Red Steel

Here is an awesome solution to BHO-BC dilemna!

Someone should post an article or advertise in suspected BHO birthplaces: include hospitals, cities, states or countries.

Offer: “ $5,000 reward to any person who can legally attest to the claim that they attended the birth of the wan-na-be USA president.”

Time is money, and the time spent examining the web-BC is lost by so many. Besides, even it appeared not to have been faked last year or last month, there are multiple reasons and scenarios that indicate that it would have beneficial to have done so over the past 46 years. If the birth was initially misreported, a current BC on file will prove absolutely nothing.

A search for eye-witnesses is needed that will swear to the event (nurses, doctor, hospital staff, siblings, or Grandma) and then the truth will be told. Or, then again, maybe not!

If nothing else, a search for the truth guarantees a three-ring circus of claimants, willing to swear upon stacks of the koran or Holy Bible to collect their prize!!!


36 posted on 06/30/2008 1:57:58 PM PDT by Gemsbok
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To: traderrob6

Re: The rub lies in the actions of Obama and his campaign to fabricate and hide the true facts.

Classic symptoms of Paranoid Schizophrenia.


37 posted on 06/30/2008 2:06:07 PM PDT by socpicday
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To: socpicday

“Classic symptoms of Paranoid Schizophrenia.”

Excuse me?


38 posted on 06/30/2008 3:02:49 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SE Mom

There are some hard-core Hillary supporters who are looking at Certigate at least as closely as we are.
***Yup. So we can take our time. If this thing breaks too early, Hillary can step in. If it breaks later, in Sept. or Oct. then the democrap party won’t be able to recover.


39 posted on 06/30/2008 3:21:59 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: traderrob6
...his campaign to fabricate and hide the true facts.

OK, so what do "false" facts look like?

Facts are true on their face and calling them true is redundant, false facts would be lies, no?

Regards,
GtG

PS Just one of the things that get me cranky, like "standard options".

40 posted on 06/30/2008 3:28:00 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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