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Shooting demo uses real bullets, injures 16 (in France)
cnn ^ | 6/29/08 | do the dhue

Posted on 06/29/2008 7:58:35 PM PDT by do the dhue

A military shooting demonstration in southeast France on Sunday left 16 people wounded, including children, when real bullets were used instead of blank ones, officials said.

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KEYWORDS: 16; bang; drill; france; military
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To: dayglored

People have been killed with blanks, too.


21 posted on 06/29/2008 8:22:20 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: LukeL

*sigh* 5 steeeeenking seconds. I can’t buy a break tonight...


22 posted on 06/29/2008 8:23:09 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: null and void
Jeff Cooper's Rules Of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Looks to me like this soldier didn't follow EITHER Rule 1 or Rule 2.

The more I think about this, the more I think it was not an accident.

23 posted on 06/29/2008 8:30:25 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: LukeL; Lurker; SLB; ExSoldier; hiredhand; Travis McGee

Yep my BS flag is at full mast on that one !

Blank adapters needed for blank firing or modified movie guns that will prevent a real cartridge from all but destroying the firearm. For dog and pony demonstrations with blanks we would remove flash hiders on our M60’s and M4’s etc and insert a empty brass case with the primer cup hole drilled out too 1/32’d so it would give enough back pressure too cycle in automatic etc and replace the flash hiders so a real deal look was obtained yet blank blocks were built into all magazines and belts of M60 ammo were inspected carefully before the firepower demonstrations......

A blank adapter does the same thing yet is visible and external object clearly attached too the barrel and any LIVE round will do massive damage too the end of the barrel if accidently used .

I would like too hear more on this as something isn’t quite right here from the read provided !

Strange ..........


24 posted on 06/29/2008 8:39:29 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

That is because the press thinks you can just change between blanks at freewill, or be evil and insert a couple of live rounds deep into the magazine. Whenever you read a story about guns, you need to understand that the press gets their info from Hollywood and what they think is the truth.


25 posted on 06/29/2008 8:42:58 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL

Goes without saying that presstitutes aren’t pistoleros !.......:o)


26 posted on 06/29/2008 8:46:31 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: dayglored

“Possible terrorism? Wouldn’t surprise me, sad to say...”

I didn’t get the shooter’s name.


27 posted on 06/29/2008 9:10:17 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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To: 353FMG
> I didn’t get the shooter’s name.

Lemme guess. "Pierre"? or "Mohammed"? Hmmm. "Jacques" or "Hussein"? Hmmm.

There's a reason they didn't print it.

28 posted on 06/29/2008 9:22:46 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: LukeL
Also, when the gun is modified it usually cannot be used to fire live rounds, the fact that he hit 16 people before realizing what was going on to me shows a possible criminal act.

Another point - there is no recoil with blank cartridges, A live 5.56x45 round has enough recoil that the shooter would immediately know it wasn't a blank.

Yep, something smells.

29 posted on 06/29/2008 9:24:28 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: LukeL

All military weapons have blank adapters so you can use live and blanks in the same gun. There is no military I know that has special guns to shoot blanks for exercises it would be a terrible waste of money. However, usually with the adapter in place(unless they have changed things lately)the guns won’t fire live ammo without endangering the shooter.


30 posted on 06/29/2008 9:26:47 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Charles Martel

I was thinking that too. This sounds like terrorism to me.


31 posted on 06/29/2008 9:37:05 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: do the dhue
Bullets are to cartridges as flour is to bread and cement is to concrete. When will they ever learn the nomenclature?
32 posted on 06/29/2008 9:45:35 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: dayglored
The story about how in a firing squad, all but one rifle have live ammo, but one has blanks, so that each shooter can tell themselves (if they care to) that they didn't necessarily kill the person being executed, comes to mind...

You'd know. Blanks don't produce anywhere near the recoil of live ammunition. This guy should have known as well.

33 posted on 06/29/2008 9:49:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: do the dhue

Sixteen hurt at French army show
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2038241/posts


34 posted on 06/29/2008 9:54:15 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: do the dhue

It sure seems mighty odd that there were so many injured.

You would think after the first person was shot, the shooter would stop seeing that there was something seriously wrong...


35 posted on 06/29/2008 10:47:19 PM PDT by DB
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To: Charles Martel
Also, when the gun is modified it usually cannot be used to fire live rounds, the fact that he hit 16 people before realizing what was going on to me shows a possible criminal act

Even if the shooter thought he had blanks in his rifle it would never be pointed in the direction of another person. This was Murder.

36 posted on 06/29/2008 11:29:51 PM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: LukeL

When I had funeral duty during the Vietnam War, we used M-1 Garands without the blank firing adapters. They will fire one cartridge and then stay chambered. You’d have to drop the rifle to the crook of your left elbow and cycle the action with your left palm (incidentally, this can hurt like hell because the handle was meant for the index first two fingers on your right hand). Point is they will all fire - at least once.....


37 posted on 06/30/2008 1:37:05 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Squantos; LukeL

They probably used “exploding, sparking” bullets.


38 posted on 06/30/2008 2:45:40 AM PDT by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Squantos
I would like too hear more on this as something isn’t quite right here from the read provided ! Strange ....

Of course it might all be very easily and believably be explained by remembering that this is after all, the FRENCH! Why do you think they need the Foreign Legion?

39 posted on 06/30/2008 2:55:50 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: do the dhue

Prayers for the injured.

But that said....

Has France surrendered to itself yet ?


40 posted on 06/30/2008 3:53:07 AM PDT by festus (Tagline removed.)
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