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1 posted on 06/26/2008 8:41:56 PM PDT by navysealdad
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To: navysealdad

didnt I just read something about volcanos on the floor of the sea of the north pole??

That couldnt have contributed?


2 posted on 06/26/2008 8:43:11 PM PDT by Chickensoup (President of the Freeper Co-ed Naked Mud-wrestling Team!)
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first time in history?

so that means we can drill there now thats great


3 posted on 06/26/2008 8:43:19 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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But these volcanoes under the sea bed have nothing to do with it. ;-)
4 posted on 06/26/2008 8:45:29 PM PDT by Amelia
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Canadians better get a Navy soon because the Russians, Americans, Chinese and pretty much everyone else will be sailing around up in this newly opened ocean.


6 posted on 06/26/2008 8:45:48 PM PDT by PGR88
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Weasel wording, no mention of Volcanic Activity at the Pole, and no mention of colder weather than normal this time of year.

Final Analysis, Junk Science.


7 posted on 06/26/2008 8:46:46 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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The link keeps sending me back here. I read an article earlier today about volcanos under the arctic ice.

That dang SUV of mine caused, and our pickup truck aided and abetted!


9 posted on 06/26/2008 8:46:57 PM PDT by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work American's won't do)
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Satellite images of the North Pole 20 years yesterday compared to yesterday http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=06&fd=26&fy=1980&sm=06&sd=25&sy=2008

Yesterday ice levels versus last year http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=06&fd=26&fy=2007&sm=06&sd=25&sy=2008

I think the jury is still out on whether it will be ice free this year. At least now we can see these images on a daily basis and do not have to rely on the MSM to tell you what is happening.

12 posted on 06/26/2008 8:49:55 PM PDT by Aussiebabe
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["The North Pole may be free of ice for the first time in history,"]

Well, it's about time!

13 posted on 06/26/2008 8:50:58 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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17 posted on 06/26/2008 8:53:01 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (This proportional font brought to you by the free market.)
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http://www.john-daly.com/NP1987.jpg

http://www.john-daly.com/polar/arctic.htm


19 posted on 06/26/2008 8:54:06 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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Funny, according to the current maps, there is substantially more ice up there this year than last year. Daily arctic ice maps 6/25/07 vs 6/25/08
20 posted on 06/26/2008 8:54:49 PM PDT by MediaMole
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B***S**T. I don’t believe it.

But let’s assume for a second it’s true.

I thought New York City (and other coastal cities) would be under water should the ice ever melt.

I thought deserts would expand everywhere.

I thought that there would be “super hurricanes” destroying the coastlines.

I thought there would be massive droughts - instead the midwest is underwater.

Where are all of these things?


27 posted on 06/26/2008 9:03:34 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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“The North Pole may be free of ice for the first time in history.....”

Only if “history” is 28 years long.

Before 1980, before satellite data, we have only anecdotal evidence about North Pole ice.

The “Northwest Passage” (which is not quite the same thing as an “ice free” North Pole, but close) was navigated at least once in the 1890’s, and once more in the 1910’s, using the ships of that era.

At least one attempt in 2006, and one more attempt in 2007, using the latest ships and technology, failed to navigate the Passage.

And, as usual, no mention that ice has been steadily growing in the Antarctic for at least a decade.

30 posted on 06/26/2008 9:13:26 PM PDT by zeestephen
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The North Pole may be free of ice for the first time in history

Ah, nothing like a little liberal over-hyped hyperbole to help ones evening entertainment.

31 posted on 06/26/2008 9:22:52 PM PDT by A message
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Pure hyperbole.


32 posted on 06/26/2008 9:27:49 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study
June 25, 2008 | AFP
Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:37:07 PM by bobsunshine

Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.

The eruptions -- as big as the one that buried Pompei -- took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.

Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.

But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.

What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth's mantle onto the ocean floor.

..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037073/posts

34 posted on 06/26/2008 9:34:00 PM PDT by ETL
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From Ohio State University News, Dec 2007...

EARTH'S HEAT ADDS TO CLIMATE CHANGE TO MELT GREENLAND ICE

COLUMBUS , Ohio -- Scientists have discovered what they think may be another reason why Greenland 's ice is melting: a thin spot in Earth's crust is enabling underground magma to heat the ice.

They have found at least one “hotspot” in the northeast corner of Greenland -- just below a site where an ice stream was recently discovered.

The researchers don't yet know how warm the hotspot is. But if it is warm enough to melt the ice above it even a little, it could be lubricating the base of the ice sheet and enabling the ice to slide more rapidly out to sea.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/hotgreen.htm

35 posted on 06/26/2008 9:34:16 PM PDT by ETL
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If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".

From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm

It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all.

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field would deflect incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-ETL

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There's a relatively new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing the theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm

And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate

100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

41 posted on 06/26/2008 9:43:50 PM PDT by ETL
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This outa get Gore’s fat ass back in the public spotlight spreading his Doomsday message. Any body wanta take bets on how soon?


43 posted on 06/26/2008 9:53:17 PM PDT by pankot
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45 posted on 06/26/2008 9:56:05 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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