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*LIVE THREAD* DC vs Heller decision due at 10:00 EST (2nd Amendment)
SCOTUS Blog ^ | 6-26-08 | shameless vanity

Posted on 06/26/2008 3:55:39 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat

Today is the day.

The folks at SCOTUS blog will be providing a live blog to follow developments as quickly as possible.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; bitter; elections; heller; judiciary; scalia; scotus; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed
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To: RKBA Democrat

GREAT NEWS!

I just called my Husband at work and told him just to make his day brighter!


461 posted on 06/26/2008 7:37:28 AM PDT by ConfidentConservative (“I think, therefore I am conservative.”)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Guess they weren’t looking forward to a “million gun” march.


462 posted on 06/26/2008 7:37:44 AM PDT by Shellback Chuck
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To: All

Hoss yeah!


463 posted on 06/26/2008 7:37:54 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme ("Don your Kevlar, Mac the knife is at our rear!")
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To: dbacks

This keeps the door open for licensing of all firearms.


464 posted on 06/26/2008 7:37:54 AM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: patton

The scope of this appears limited to home possession...will this change the status quo on concealed carry?


465 posted on 06/26/2008 7:38:10 AM PDT by fzx12345 (ZOTTO ERGO SUM)
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To: Blue Turtle
He is smiling too.

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466 posted on 06/26/2008 7:38:11 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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Heller quotes from the majority
Thursday, June 26th, 2008 10:27 am | Tom Goldstein | Comments Off |
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Quotes from the opinion:

“Logic demands that there be a link between the stated purpose and the command.”

“We start therefore with a strong presumption that the Second Amendment right is exercised individually and belongs to all Americans.”

“the most natural reading of ‘keep Arms’ in the Second Amendment is to “have weapons.”

“The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity.”

“Putting all of these textual elements together, we find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation.”

“Thus, we do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to speak for any purpose.”

“The prefatory clause does not suggest that preserving the militia was the only reason Americans valued the ancient right; most undoubtedly thought it even more important for self-defense and hunting.”

“It was plainly the understanding in the post-Civil War Congress that the Second Amendment protected an individual right to use arms for self-defense.”

“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.”

“Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

“We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms. Miller said, as we have explained, that the sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ 307 U. S., at 179.”


467 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:02 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: WackySam

Many rank-and-file Democrats, especially the blue-collar union type, are still pretty pro-gun even if they’re quite liberal in other ways.

I think that’s one reason the Dem politicians, as a whole, have softened on the gun control platform.


468 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:05 AM PDT by RockinRight (I just paid $63 for gas. An icefield in Alaska is NOT the Grand Canyon. F--- the caribou.)
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To: wagglebee
It's only fair, the government scares the crap out of me!

Ditto, but that's cool. When the power is all on the state's side, however...

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.

Heinrich Himmler

469 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: RKBA Democrat

But can the SCOTUS really have said this?
“It was plainly the understanding in the post-Civil War Congress that the Second Amendment protected an individual right to use arms for self-defense.”

Even I, historical ignoramus that I am, know the writing of the Bill of Rights, as the Constitution, followed the Revolutionary War, but preceded the Civil War by quite some time...


470 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:43 AM PDT by Redbob ("WWJBD" ="What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: sandyeggo

Scalia has waited his entire life to write this one opinion, IMHO. The 2nd Amendment has been radioactive. Now, it is clarified.


471 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:52 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: green iguana
"After an exhaustive discussion of the arguments for and against gun control, JUSTICE BREYER arrives at his interest-balanced answer: because handgun violence is a problem, because the law is limited to an urban area, and because there were somewhat similar restrictions in the founding period (a false proposition that we have already discussed), the interest-balancing inquiry results in the constitutionality of the handgun ban. QED.

We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding “interest-balancing” approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government—even the Third Branch of Government—the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges’ assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all. Constitutional rights are enshrined with the scope they were understood to have when the people adopted them, whether or not future legislatures or (yes) even future judges think that scope too broad. We would not apply an “interest-balancing” approach to the prohibition of a peaceful neo-Nazi march through Skokie. See National Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, 432 U. S. 43 (1977) (per curiam). The First Amendment contains the freedom-of-speech guarantee that the people ratified, which included exceptions for obscenity, libel, and disclosure of state secrets, but not for the expression of extremely unpopular and wrong-headed views. The Second Amendment is no different. Like the First, it is the very product of an interest-balancing by the people—which JUSTICE BREYER would now conduct for them anew."

472 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: pabianice

I am absolutely shocked at the overwhelming positive response on DU.

I am especially glad to see some point out that the gun BAN is what is FASCIST, not the overturning of the ban.


473 posted on 06/26/2008 7:39:54 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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Bump for later and big

NEENER NEENER NEENER to the Brady bunch


474 posted on 06/26/2008 7:40:06 AM PDT by xmission (Democrats have killed our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: Tirian

This is not only about McCain. He doesn’t stand a chance of adding a conservative judge if the Senate is full of Libs. The focus needs to be on the congressional members to truly change anything. Regardless of who gets into the White house it will become meaningless if the Senate will not confirm a Conservative Judge


475 posted on 06/26/2008 7:40:29 AM PDT by JayAr36 (What good has Islam provided for the World?)
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To: manapua

Scalia cites Volokh in the ruling! (page 6)


476 posted on 06/26/2008 7:40:32 AM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: beltfed308; driftdiver; Jim Robinson
I don’t recall his name right now but they guy who paid for this case needs to be thanked. He should never have to buy a steak for the rest of his life.- dd

Big bump to that. The irony is that this case was funded and pushed by a libertarian with his own funds if I'm not mistaken.-bf

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Click above for details. Shipping can be arranged by DC FReepers, possibly?


477 posted on 06/26/2008 7:40:38 AM PDT by WVKayaker (You mileage may vary.)
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To: mware
"Wonder what Michael Moore is doing about now??

Probably trying to set up some alzheimers patient to lose some Constitutional right somewhere.
478 posted on 06/26/2008 7:40:49 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: patton

For the ownership of guns in the home, yes. Not for CCW, probably not for open carry. It looks like cities/states can still require licensing and are free to make the licensing restrictions fairly onerous if they want. Let’s face it, proving that a city is enforcing its laws “arbitrarily and capriciously” is pretty darn hard.

What this looks like it does is remove the most drastic of the gun bans, like the District’s. And it builds a firewall that basically says “you can restrict up to here, but no further.” It doesn’t roll back a whole lot, really. It’s a good decision, and a necessary decision. But it’s more of a solid defense than a strong offense.

}:-)4


479 posted on 06/26/2008 7:41:12 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: tx4guns
The judges that ruled against this should be IMPEACHED!

They voted against the Constitution! I agree...

480 posted on 06/26/2008 7:41:17 AM PDT by Edgerunner (At the heart of every absurdity, lies a liberal lie)
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