Semper Watching!
Posted on 06/20/2008 9:02:50 AM PDT by Huck
The idea came up on a thread today that perhaps it would be a good idea to write to the various conservative websites/publications that currently pay/publish Patrick Buchanan, and let them know that we would like them to stop publishing him.
The thought is that PJB is basically a useful idiot for the left, allowing them to paint conservatives as racists, and tying the right wing to Nazism. He makes us look like irrational haters when we really aren't. He is used by MSNBC and others to make fools of us.
It's not an effort to silence him. He can write any book he likes, but an effort to voice our opposition and disassociate ourselves with him.
I am curious to know what this great forum thinks of this idea. It wasn't my idea. Just something that came up. I thought that if it were something worthwile, perhaps it could be a piece of Freeper activism?
Curious to know what you all think. Sound off.
It's a free country. If you don't like PJB, don't watch him, don't buy his books and don't click on links to his articles. Or, if you're feeling really ambitious, submit an Op-Ed piece to the NYT explaining why it's become inaccurate to continue to portray him as a conservative.
Shutting PJB down really would come back to bit us on our asses.
The sudden, large changes in Pat indicate to me a health issue instead of a purposeful change in political position.
Another possibility is a reversion to 1930s Republican thought.
I just came from the Russian enema thread, but it seems to have been flushed.
I agree. Pat has stood stronger for more conservative positions than most on FR. There are tons of books analyzing how WWII (and other wars) started, many with historical perspectives not in line with orthodox thinking. So what. From what I see, the "press" and "academics" distort the truth to such an extent I don't necessarily believe any orthodox explanation of history just because it is widely accepted.
Some here at FR bandy about terms like Nazi or antisemitic in a much too free wheeling way similar to the way liberals use the racist moniker. Some would like to see censorship just as much as the liberals, except on different things. Some have shown the worst type of religious bigotry to the extent of proclaiming that only a Christian is acceptable for the presidency.
Many don't agree with Ann Coulter's historical perspective on Joseph McCarthy. Some don't agree with Pat Buchanan's historical perspective about pre-WWII Europe. Personally, I like to analyze as many perspectives as I can about a given subject and I don't need anyone, including those at FR, determining where I can best read about the views of others, particularly when these other's views often appear more "conservative" than those of many FReepers.
hey folks...i gotta run out....but keep discussing. I thought it would be an interesting topic and methinks I was right. I’ll be back later to read comments and get back into it. If I don’t step away now, I’ll never get my work done! Thanks all for participating civilly. Good debate topic. Freegards all,
Huck
“The left is going to believe about us whatever they want.”
The left? I don’t care about “the left.” I care about Jewish voters (my family, for example) at are natural conservatives (there are plenty), but who vote democrat because of the emotional response that equates Republicans with Nazis.
I’ve gotten Pat thrown in my face at every family gathering this month.
It’s emotional; it’s not deep thinking, but it’s real.
I get creeped out by Pat and his fellow travelers — today someone on F.R. was babbling about Jewish cabal of international bankers.
We make it known that Pat is NOT part of the mainstream conservative movement and does NOT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES.
WRT Pat Buchannan you have to examine his writing in broader context rather than on more narrow points.
His latest book, and column are based on what if’s from WW1 and then later what if’s in WW2.
His assertions are unprovable either in the negative or positive. I wouldn’t go as far as to call Pat an anti-Semite. I would go as far as calling him an ignoramus. I keep remembering a line from and elderly gentleman of my acquaintance “ If “if’s” and “but’s” were candy and nuts, I’d own myself a carnival. Best to just ignore the writings of Pat.
He did the same sort of thing in another book, with respect to WW2 and the Japanese. If, but, and so-forth. All of that does not change what currently “IS”.
Go Pat Go!
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Pat's exposition of Neo-Con fraudulence is a major reason why I still find Pat worth reading. Scratch a neo-con and you'll find a sixties leftist.
What are you, the Grand Inquisitor?
Heretic! It’s the Comfy Chair for you.....
I'm sorry for any problem, but that's a personal issue that you'll have to deal with. It's not grounds for censorship. Perhaps, as a counterargument you candemonstrate that National Socialism was really a product of the left?
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--We make it known that Pat is NOT part of the mainstream conservative movement and does NOT SPEAK FOR CONSERVATIVES.
I maintain that while I find Pat's hostile attitude toward Israel incomprehensible, bizarre and often ingnorantly cruel, his understanding of history and that what now passes for conservatism is largely anything but is right-on. So, while I'm not sure I'd want him at one of my dinner parties, because of his having fought so long and so well for conservatism, I'll keep sifting his wheat from his chaff.
Sounds like you’re planning a lynching party.
One’s level of support for a foreign country does not determine if one is an American conservative or not. Israel is like Bosnia; ultimately, not decisive for America and her interests
Semper Watching!
Pat’s hinge-pins were always a little loose, and I’d say they’ve fallen plum out in the last year. He’s officially off his rocker at this point, and yes something needs to be done to distance him in the public eye from mainstream conservatism.
Why? B/c he sees the Iraq war as being horribly misplayed? So does McCain and most of the American people.
He is a frequent guest on Hannity and Colmes. I have also seen him on Bill O’Reilly’s show.
Is that the pro-abortion Ross Perot that ‘real’ conservatives should have supported?
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