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Is it time to throw pat under the boxcar..er bus?
self | June 20, 2008 | Huck

Posted on 06/20/2008 9:02:50 AM PDT by Huck

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To: TomGuy
And that opens the door for the Left to do similar, against ... Rush? Hannity? FR?

And if "The Nation" or "The Socialist News" or whatever crap they read started publishing someone that they didn't like, that they felt misrepresented their views, they'd be totally justified in letting the publishers know. It's a free market.

61 posted on 06/20/2008 9:37:34 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Huck

I read a column of Pat’s a week or so ago and it was the first in a long time, it reminded me of why I stopped reading him.


62 posted on 06/20/2008 9:37:54 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: griswold3
I think it was Winston Churchill who coined the expression, “The Unnecessary War.”
63 posted on 06/20/2008 9:38:07 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Glad to hear.


64 posted on 06/20/2008 9:38:22 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Huck

I agree. Rather than get a serious Republican who believes in national security, they get Patsy so they can simultaneously portray Republicans as crazy, religious zealots and at the same time, double their bashing of Bush foreign policy.


65 posted on 06/20/2008 9:38:39 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Huck
No, we need to keep Pat Buchanan.

Pat has had some pretty wacky ideas. But, that being said, he was also among the first to recognize that the GOP had strayed off the conservative reservation, that NAFTA and "free trade" are ultimately bad for America, that uncontrolled immigration WILL mean the death of The Republic and that GW Bush was never really a conservative.

Throw Buchanan beneath the bus for his crazy ideas only after you've first thrown under folks such as Mike Medved, Irving Kristol, Fred Barnes and even GW Bush.

66 posted on 06/20/2008 9:38:55 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I voted for Perot

No, you did the right thing. Real conservatives should have chosen Perot over Poppy Bush.

Historical hindsight is twenty/twenty.

67 posted on 06/20/2008 9:40:49 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: caver
Why bother reading his stuff? If you don’t click on his article, then he won’t get the numbers. I don’t read his nonsense.

Sure, we can ignore his articles, but that's not the point...seems we just can't keep the worst of us off of the TV and we certainly don't want others to think he represents us in any way.

68 posted on 06/20/2008 9:41:45 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: LS

“Rather than get a serious Republican who believes in national security, they get Patsy so they can simultaneously portray Republicans as crazy, religious zealots and at the same time, double their bashing of Bush foreign policy.”

Yep, I am tired of the go-to conservative commentator being this little Nazi. Who has time to put together a list of who to contact and how?

World Net Daily
TownHall
Fox News? -— probably need to break down by show
MSNBC


69 posted on 06/20/2008 9:41:46 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Mossad!)
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To: griswold3

I guess you haven’t read the book. There is no doubt that WWII was ‘unnecessary’, in that errors drove the world to war. Starting with that dingbat Wilson, the reparations, the weak response of the West to Hitler’s rearment, and the fact that Hitler knew England’s guarantee to Poland was not worth the paper it was written on. Pat himself says that, once the battle was joined, it became necessary and he dedicates the book to his uncles who were veterans of that war. As he says, the war was not a good war for Poland, which lost 6 million non-combatants to racial genocide and was swallowed up by the Soviets coming out of it. 90% of Warsaw destroyed, 65% of Poznan, etc. Clearly not the best outcome of the British ‘guarantee’.


70 posted on 06/20/2008 9:42:15 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: canuck_conservative
BUT THEN you try to get others to join you on your little intimidation crusade to try any blacklist Pat from being published .... yikes.

Get a grip. First of all, I'm not suggesting "intimidation." I'm suggesting giving conservative publications, who theoretically serve our cause, constructive feedback. What intimidation? I'm not suggesting anything other than expressing an opinion. It'd be totally up to them of course what to do about it.

Second, as I pointed out several times, he's free to be published wherever they'll have him. Your hysterics are comical, but misplaced. As consumers of conservative publications, we have every right and perhaps a duty to give feedback, positive and negative, to the publications that supposedly give us voice in the public forum.

Censorship is not a good idea .... but if you like it so much, perhaps you'd be more at home living in Russia or Communist China?

LOL! Sober up!

71 posted on 06/20/2008 9:43:19 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Huck

It’s free association, and just as Obama is rightly (har har) criticized for associating with Wright, conservative publications can and perhaps should be criticized for associating with PJB.


Exactly, Huck.


72 posted on 06/20/2008 9:44:09 AM PDT by kenth (Just think, .000001783% of the population is screwing it all up for the rest of us.)
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To: Huck
Can anyone first answer this question: is there a serious difference of opinion between Pat Buchanan and, say, a Ron Paul?

Do these fellows simply represent the libertarian, constitutionalist or "paleo-conservative" view points?

If so, then the question becomes, how many of them are there, and do conservative Republicans (i.e., Freepers) need them to win elections?

I suspect the answer is, they are quite few in numbers, and will not be voting for McCain anyway. Whether that will help elect Obama is still unclear.

73 posted on 06/20/2008 9:44:21 AM PDT by BroJoeK (A little historical perspective....)
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To: Huck
I'm not saying no one should be allowed to publish him. I'm saying conservative publications should be convinced that they are not serving the cause by publishing him, and that we'd be happier with them if they didn't.

Again I've got to disagree with you. Yeah, he's a wack job, but when he hits the ball, he hits it way out of the ballpark.

Forgive me if I give anyone offense, but first putting arguments of divine inspiration aside, I'd bet my last shekel that prophets such as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Elijah and John the Bapist would all have seemed pretty wacky if their stories weren't probably cleaned up by later exegetes.

74 posted on 06/20/2008 9:45:11 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: Calusa

At least he recognizes the 9 million Slavs who were exterminated as well as the Jews. The Holocaust deniers are those who at best call the Holocaust “six million jews and others”


75 posted on 06/20/2008 9:45:45 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: LS

You are a long time and well established freeper. What do you think the general view on the board would be to an organized effort to provide feedback to conservative publications that publish him that we’d prefer they didn’t, and let him find a home in the Storm Front Weekly News or Nazi Weekly or perhaps Al Jazeera?


76 posted on 06/20/2008 9:46:25 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Because Pat is propped up by the media as the face of conservatism in a transparent effort to make people think conservatives are Nazis.

The left is going to believe about us whatever they want. It's truly a sad day when we begin looking over our shoulders, worrying what they think of us.

77 posted on 06/20/2008 9:46:53 AM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: E. Cartman
Yeah, he's a wack job, but when he hits the ball, he hits it way out of the ballpark

I'm not aware of any idea that is reliant upon PJB for expression (other than perhaps Nazi apologias.) Anything he's saying, Lou Dobbs is saying, minus the goose step. Or Tancredo.

I guess I'd say there's an awful lot of bathwater and not much baby. Throw it out.

78 posted on 06/20/2008 9:48:25 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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To: Huck
The idea came up on a thread today that perhaps it would be a good idea to write to the various conservative websites/publications that currently pay/publish Patrick Buchanan, and let them know that we would like them to stop publishing him. The thought is that PJB is basically a useful idiot for the left, allowing them to paint conservatives as racists, and tying the right wing to Nazism. He makes us look like irrational haters when we really aren't. He is used by MSNBC and others to make fools of us.

Who's "us"? Neocons? LOL!

Go Pat Go!

79 posted on 06/20/2008 9:49:56 AM PDT by Penner
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To: BroJoeK
Can anyone first answer this question: is there a serious difference of opinion between Pat Buchanan and, say, a Ron Paul?

I'm not really sure. I don't know much about Ron Paul. I think he has quite a few Bircher types in his ranks, though. But Ron Paul is competing in the political arena. He's not presented by conservative publications as a conservative opinion maker. He's a free citizen jawing for votes. Nothing to do about that, really, except reject him.

80 posted on 06/20/2008 9:50:54 AM PDT by Huck (A Teddy Roosevelt wannabe is better than a Karl Marx wannabe.)
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