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Why a McCain Win May Be Bad for GOP, Good for Democrats
Real Clear Politics ^ | 13 June 2008 | Stuart Rothenberg

Posted on 06/13/2008 7:07:31 AM PDT by shrinkermd

Republicans and conservatives are rallying behind Sen. John McCain's White House bid, but not because they are so enamored with him or his agenda. Instead, their loyalty is based on their perception that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama as president, particularly with large Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress, would be utterly disastrous.

Regardless of whether you agree with them about the results of a Democratic presidential victory later this year, a McCain victory might produce its own series of domino-like events that ultimately might hurt the Grand Old Party.

...I don't necessarily agree with Stewart that a McCain victory in November would lead to the "eradication" of the GOP, but it's easy to see how a McCain presidency could end up being a nightmare for Republicans.

In the worst-case scenario, a McCain victory in November could likely lead to a Republican bloodletting that would tear apart the GOP well before 2012, contribute to another good Democratic election in 2010 and hand Democrats such a strong advantage during redistricting that Republicans wouldn't be able to recover for years.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; gop; mccain; rino; rothenberg
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To: shrinkermd
LBJ and Jimmy Carter were basically 1-term presidents. We still suffer from them.

I'm voting McCain.

61 posted on 06/13/2008 8:22:39 AM PDT by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: Caleb1411
(We'd be fortunate if McCain comes close to matching W, frankly.)

It would be interesting to see a poll of these four candidates:

1. Barack Obama
2. Hillary Clinton
3. John McCain
4. George W. Bush

Don't know about you but, right now, a third Bush term would look pretty good.

62 posted on 06/13/2008 8:23:37 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: avacado

LMAO! You think McCain would put a conservative in there. LOL! Did you see how he voted on social issues such as abortion, gay rights, and speech?


63 posted on 06/13/2008 8:24:22 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: MinorityRepublican
"Our Supreme Court is not going to change at all. If Obama gets elected, he's going to replace John Paul Stevens, Ruth Ginsburg and perhaps David Souter."

The idea is to get it changed. With McCain we perhaps have a chance. With Obama there is no chance.

64 posted on 06/13/2008 8:24:24 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Impy
Right but the courts can't get any worse than it is right now. Usually the leftists have a slight advantage. When a Republican President gets elected, we replace our own. Same with the Democrats. We got lucky with Justice O'Connor retiring early and replacing her with a solid in Samuel Alito.

How old is Kennedy now? I'm concerned with a Democrat replacing that guy. Kennedy is a moderate and I think he would rather be replaced by a Republican President. In a way, I wish he retired before 2006.

65 posted on 06/13/2008 8:24:40 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Sprite518
"LMAO! You think McCain would put a conservative in there. LOL! Did you see how he voted on social issues such as abortion, gay rights, and speech?"

It's a gamble at this point. With Obama we know exactly what we'll get. With McCain their is a chance.

66 posted on 06/13/2008 8:25:27 AM PDT by avacado
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To: ncalburt

“You are clueless and you are trying to get Obama elected.”

And you want me to prove my conservatism by voting for a socialist with an “R” after his name. No thanks.


67 posted on 06/13/2008 8:25:37 AM PDT by Grunthor (McCain or Obama.....go ahead, throw your vote away.)
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To: Impy; NewRomeTacitus; Clemenza; Clintonfatigued; wardaddy; BillyBoy; Theodore R.

There’s no evidence McCain will appoint a Conservative replacement. Indeed, in the interests of “bipartisanship” and comity and citing the need for “balance”, he will likely pick another Stevens liberal parasite as a replacement. It’s worth noting that Republicans have chosen some of the worst activist liberals in the 20th century for the courts. Jimmy Carter didn’t appoint Stevens, Jerry Ford did (and Ford, even up to his death KNOWING how leftist Stevens was, NEVER regretted his appointment). Ike appointed the ultimate judicial scum of the 20th century, Earl Warren.

Conversely, JFK appointed Byron “Whizzer” White, who turned out to be a fairly model justice and was not a leftist. Another potential Dem appointee that almost ended up on the Supremes was former Virgin Islands Governor William H. Hastie. Hastie was a Black Conservative who was bitterly opposed by both Warren and racist Dems like MS’s Sen. James Eastland. Instead, the ultraleft imbecile Thurgood Marshall became the 1st Black on the court.


68 posted on 06/13/2008 8:25:56 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: okie01

Among conservatives, certainly, three of those people in your proposed poll wouldn’t break single digits.


69 posted on 06/13/2008 8:26:12 AM PDT by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: avacado

The problem is that there’s too many Democrats in the Senate now. So if McCain gets elected, a conservative would just get BORKED in the Senate. So we have to slip in a moderate like Souter and hope that doesn’t backfire.


70 posted on 06/13/2008 8:26:28 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Sprite518

“Look you need to understand. Conservatives do not have a candidate this election. I am sorry, but I am not voting for a liberal like McCain.”

I do understand how you feel. I was a Fred supporter, then Romney supporter. Just recently heard Romney on two different radio programs and he is against closing Getmo and the court decision, against Cap & Trade, against amnesty, and FOR drilling here and now in America. He is still out helping to elect McCain because Obama should not be anyway near the White House due to the damage he would cause! How I wish McCain would pick Romney for VP, but doubt that will happen since Romney is a conservative and McCain isn’t! My choice is still clear. I will hold my nose with both hands and vote for McCain only because he would do less damage than Obama and we would have a good chance to elect a conservative in four years. If Obama is elected he would be in for eight years and would make sure liberals woud be in charge for years to come. I am sure he would put Hillary on the SC!


71 posted on 06/13/2008 8:30:48 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: shrinkermd

Here onn FR we used to call pro-McCain posters trolls, now we call them republicans.


72 posted on 06/13/2008 8:31:34 AM PDT by stockpirate (Conservatives are becoming the swing vote McCain needs to win, make him earn it.)
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To: stockpirate
Here on FR we used to call pro-McCain posters trolls, now we call them republicans.

Some are simply misguided and frightened FReepers, those that call everyone Obama operatives and threaten to make lists are just little girl trolls.
73 posted on 06/13/2008 8:36:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I miss the days when only the politicians were unethical.)
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To: Vaquero

Actually at one point Ruch was saying that it would be better for Obama to win or at least for McCain not to win.

But he has recently changed to defeating Obama and getting a win for the republicans.

So, both of you are correct, just different time frames.


74 posted on 06/13/2008 8:39:32 AM PDT by stockpirate (Conservatives are becoming the swing vote McCain needs to win, make him earn it.)
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To: GOPsterinMA
"Where is the next RR?"

Don't get me started.

I wouldn't know about any Reagan clone, but I have seen the next "Barry Goldwater". He lost.

75 posted on 06/13/2008 8:39:52 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: Sprite518
Where did I say I liked McCain in any way?

My only reason for voting for him is that he will do less damage to the country than an unapologetic radical like Barack Obama. Do you disagree with that statement?

Look, we have no good choices in this election. My plan is to vote for McCain but not help him in any other way and to try to work on races down-ticket to elect conservatives.

Every second you spend trashing McCain is time you could be spending helping elect conservatives down ticket. Think about that.

I'm going to adopt it as my tagline.
76 posted on 06/13/2008 8:41:49 AM PDT by Antoninus (Every second spent bashing McCain is time that could be spent helping Conservatives downticket.)
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To: shrinkermd
a McCain victory might produce its own series of domino-like events that ultimately might hurt the Grand Old Party.

Yea, like this Party is in SUCH good health right now!

And if anyone would dispute it, just look at who our nominee is.

PS: see tagline

77 posted on 06/13/2008 8:43:14 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: jalisco555
I believe in fighting one election at a time.

Just curious here; how would you vote in an election where the candidates are: Joseph Stalin and "Oops, looks like the gulag for you!"

78 posted on 06/13/2008 8:46:24 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: cripplecreek
"..my conservative congressman."

You got one?

I'm SO jealous!

79 posted on 06/13/2008 8:48:01 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: fschmieg

If McCain didn’t vote to affirm the nomination of each judge who took the majority opinion yesterday, he voted to affirm all but one or two of them. And once again, I find another person who is convinced he is solid on judges. Why? What possible basis do you have for thinking he is?

The disconnect with reality that I am seeing this year is greater than it has ever been. People talk of the ozone hole expanding, but I think the fuzzy logic expansion this year is what needs to be addressed.

Zombie on party members, convince yourselves that John is the savior of the ages if you will. I’m not buying it.


80 posted on 06/13/2008 8:52:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Ooo what's that terrible smell? Oh, I stepped in a big pile of 'lesser of two evils'. Careful...)
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