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Why a McCain Win May Be Bad for GOP, Good for Democrats
Real Clear Politics ^ | 13 June 2008 | Stuart Rothenberg

Posted on 06/13/2008 7:07:31 AM PDT by shrinkermd

Republicans and conservatives are rallying behind Sen. John McCain's White House bid, but not because they are so enamored with him or his agenda. Instead, their loyalty is based on their perception that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama as president, particularly with large Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress, would be utterly disastrous.

Regardless of whether you agree with them about the results of a Democratic presidential victory later this year, a McCain victory might produce its own series of domino-like events that ultimately might hurt the Grand Old Party.

...I don't necessarily agree with Stewart that a McCain victory in November would lead to the "eradication" of the GOP, but it's easy to see how a McCain presidency could end up being a nightmare for Republicans.

In the worst-case scenario, a McCain victory in November could likely lead to a Republican bloodletting that would tear apart the GOP well before 2012, contribute to another good Democratic election in 2010 and hand Democrats such a strong advantage during redistricting that Republicans wouldn't be able to recover for years.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; gop; mccain; rino; rothenberg
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Hard to believe losing an election is a good thing, but, then again, many Freepers do.

Many McCain bashers believe McCain's defeat would result in a second coming of a Reagan clone.

Limbaugh, for instance, believes it would be a mistake for McCain to win because the RINOs would take over the party.

Rothenberg, then, has company, but the question is how much company. Senator McCain did win the nomination.

1 posted on 06/13/2008 7:07:31 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I agree 100%. A McCain win will cement RINO’s into Republican core power. It’ll prove that being a moderate reaching out the the left is the way the New Republicans win.


2 posted on 06/13/2008 7:11:30 AM PDT by WarToad
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To: shrinkermd

I listen to Rush every single day, and Rush has never ever said what you allege. He isn’t happy with McCain, but has said he prefers him to win.

Personally, I won’t be voting for McLame, and will just let the chips fall where they may.


3 posted on 06/13/2008 7:11:31 AM PDT by webschooner (Bumper Sticker: "None of the Above, 2008")
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To: shrinkermd

I believe in fighting one election at a time. This time we need to keep Obama out of the White House. Let’s worry about 2010 once the 2008 election is over.


4 posted on 06/13/2008 7:12:33 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: shrinkermd

I concur.

I ask: Where is the next RR? He/she doen’t exist as of now. RR was well-known and visible in 1980. There’s no one like that now in the party.


5 posted on 06/13/2008 7:12:54 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Osama is Carter's second term.)
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To: webschooner

I’m in a state where McCain won’t win anyway so I’m not wasting my vote on him. Instead I’ll waste my vote on a write in conservative and vote for my conservative congressman.


6 posted on 06/13/2008 7:13:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I miss the days when only the politicians were unethical.)
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To: shrinkermd

At this point I’m more worried about the fate of our COUNTRY vs. the state of the GOP or the Democrat party. It’s for that reason alone that I will be casting my vote for McCain. Obama is a marxist through and through. At least McCain has respect for our country... An Obama victory in November I’m afraid would have very far-reaching consequences - ones that our country may not EVER be able to recover from...


7 posted on 06/13/2008 7:13:28 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: shrinkermd
I'm not so sure Rothenberg or Rush are wrong. Everytime I think I can hold my nose and support McCain because Osama Obama is so very, very bad, McCain does something else stupid to remind me of just how much he hates conservatives-- kissing th ring of La Raza, rolling out another economic voodoo proposal which bows to the global warming cult, or denouncing a talk show host for using BHO's middle name.

I'm beginning to think McCain really doesn't want to be president; he just wanted to make sure nobody to his right would have a chance at being elected. If he picks his idealogical clone, the Judas Goat Hucksterbee as VP, then I'll know for sure.

8 posted on 06/13/2008 7:15:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: shrinkermd

Doesn’t the latest Supreme Court decision show you the importance of winning elections? Do you really want the awful results of Obama as president with large congressional majorities for his party? It will be an absolute nightmare. And don’t be so sure that once entrenched, the Dems would be so easy to defeat later on. Losing to win is a naive idea.


9 posted on 06/13/2008 7:18:36 AM PDT by fschmieg
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To: shrinkermd

We paid a small price domestically from the Carter-to-Reagan transition. Because Carter did not get a single SCOTUS nomination. We won’t be so lucky with Obama. He will get at least two.


10 posted on 06/13/2008 7:18:56 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Vigilanteman

...or if he picks the Stepford Husband Joe Isuzu *omney.


11 posted on 06/13/2008 7:19:11 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: shrinkermd

Ain’t no way in hell will I sit back and allow Obama to even think he can pick our next 3-4 Supreme Court Justices.


12 posted on 06/13/2008 7:20:02 AM PDT by avacado
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To: webschooner
And the chips are falling right now before he seizes control alright and he will shut us all up for good . This website will be shut down by the Obama internet police. Last night there was an massive post about the Obama camp is now monitoring this SITE for Smears.
And you want Obama and his radical left wing buddies like the DU , Moveon.org, Code Pink be put in charge of the federal govt such as the FBI , CIA, and the FCC so they can SHUT US UP for ever.
This Marxist and his buddies ARE DANGEROUS and YOU are consider the ENEMY. So WAKE UP.
13 posted on 06/13/2008 7:20:41 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: shrinkermd
Limbaugh, for instance, believes it would be a mistake for McCain to win because the RINOs would take over the party.

Limbaugh is emphatically for a Democrat loss in the election. You must be listening to a different Limbaugh that I listen to. He makes no bones about the fact that he does not like the idea of McCain as president and hopes McCain will try a bit harder to be a more conservative. but he has never, ever said he wants McCain to loose.

14 posted on 06/13/2008 7:20:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: shrinkermd
Stuart Rothenberg?

Another DC pundit who has overstayed his welcome, retire please, move over and give someone else a chance.

Your opinions about Republicans/Conservatives means jack sh*t to me.

15 posted on 06/13/2008 7:21:22 AM PDT by roses of sharon ( (Who will be McCain's maverick?))
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To: LibertyRocks

You are absolutely 100 percent correct! BHO will be disastrous for this country. The political landscape is bad enough already, but with Chicago style politics....

I can’t even begin to list the reasons BHO must not rule this nation and rule he intends to do if elected. The entire media is in the tank for him! He’s already effecting censorship on political blogs.

McCain isn’t perfect, but someone tell me who is running and can win who is perfect? If there is such a person that’s who I’ll cast my vote for, but until then my vote is for McCain.


16 posted on 06/13/2008 7:21:33 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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To: shrinkermd

I don’t think between the two of them, McCain or Obama that we have a Presidential contender we can trust either at all, or completely for the integrity of America. It is for that reason I believe we must concentrate all efforts to regain Congress, even if in so doing we fail, yet the results become a sufficient quantity of Conservative members to thwart the Socialist/Democrat lunacy.

Of course my vote would have to be for McCain simply to make what Conservatives we have in Congress’ job representing our interests somewhat less harrowing.

IOW I could get SOME sleep at night the next four years with McCain in the WH rather than Obama.


17 posted on 06/13/2008 7:21:41 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: shrinkermd
...I don't necessarily agree with Stewart that a McCain victory in November would lead to the "eradication" of the GOP,

Ironically, just 4 years ago, the pundits were predicting the end of the Dem party, should Kerry lose.

Yet, 2 years ago, the Dems managed to re-take both the Senate and House, because the GOP has squandered their leadership.

The GOP won't be that lucky, unless a President Obama screws up so badly that he overturns the House 2 years into his term. Clinton, as bad as his first term was, still got re-elected. So, probably would Obama.

It will take the GOP years, possibly decades, to recover from the onslaught of 06 and impending political slaughter of 08.
18 posted on 06/13/2008 7:23:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: shrinkermd
Stuart Rothenberg's analysis is reasonable and rational and not biased by any animus towards John McCain.

The Republican Party has a serious identity problem.

McCain's message is completely muddled and confused. There is no coherent governing philosophy or principal to be discerned in it.

I will vote for McCain, but it is almost impossible to "follow" McCain.

19 posted on 06/13/2008 7:25:30 AM PDT by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: roses of sharon

Right on target.


20 posted on 06/13/2008 7:27:27 AM PDT by ncalburt
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