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Oil futures fell over $4/barrel today. It might be time to go short.

Lots more of interest in this article for the interested Freeper.

1 posted on 06/09/2008 1:23:16 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

Congress is going to hold hearings...grandstand on television...and then...do nothing.


2 posted on 06/09/2008 1:25:11 PM PDT by kjo
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

How silly.

As if we are the only market. All regulation will do will move it to London or the Caymans or somesuch.


3 posted on 06/09/2008 1:25:21 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (McCain is the best candidate of the Democrat party.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

This is long over due. They need to regulate the Intercontinental Exchange.

This two part article is MUST read for everyone who drives or heats their home.
http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/651928.html
http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/659081.html


5 posted on 06/09/2008 1:32:22 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (CFMA) allowed energy commodities for the first time to be traded on deregulated "exempt commercial markets," meaning exchanges exempt from CFTC or any other U.S. government oversight.

I recall a similar wild spike in electricity prices in California, several years back, 2005? Also, in natural gas, in 2006 I believe.

Sounds like this CFMA needs to be ditched, with a return to regulations created during the Great Depression.

6 posted on 06/09/2008 1:33:58 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
The entire commodities market has always been underregulated, while the the stock market has rigorous regulations. Think Hillary Clinton and cattle futures.

As for congress, we "threw the buns out" in 2006 for what? Congress has done NOTHING but campaign for their horse in the presidential race. ENOUGH of the hearings, there are TOO MANY hearings! Open those Alaskan oil fields!

7 posted on 06/09/2008 1:34:11 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Indonesian terrorist organizations endorse Obama.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

$16 is more than a barrel of oil was getting in the mid 1980’s!


8 posted on 06/09/2008 1:34:20 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

NYMEX shows Brent up $0.17 to $134.08 and CL (WTI) closing up $0.31 at 134.66


10 posted on 06/09/2008 1:35:20 PM PDT by politicalwit (AKA... A Tradition Continues...Now a Hoosier Freeper)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

I’ve said this for years now.. this bubble will burst the minute the regulators get serious about it... However with the amount of greed tax on it right now, until some people get frog marched, I don’t see it returning to where it should anytime soon.


11 posted on 06/09/2008 1:36:32 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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• A proposal to consider reclassifying investment banks such as Goldman Sachs (GS) and Morgan Stanley (MS) as speculators, which would subject them to trading limits from which they’re currently exempt.

It’s about time. This isn’t a new regulation, it’s simply enforcing the old one. I hope a lot of these long speculators fail to find short buyers.


13 posted on 06/09/2008 1:41:13 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (It's too bad I've already promised myself to never vote for McCain.)
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Quotes from artcle:
1.
“If the CFTC decides to subject investment banks trading swaps to speculative trading limits—currently 3 million barrels of WTI crude oil for front-month trades—oil prices could deflate significantly, say analysts. “If [the CFTC] forces trade limits on these funds, commodity index traders will have to pull out of this market,” says Stephen Schork, an energy consultant in Villanova, Pa., and editor of The Schork Report, a daily energy newsletter. “The [commodities] bulls would be in for a world of hurt.” Schork says such a correction would send oil prices back to the $80-$100 range.”

2.
“Also testifying before that committee, Greenberger suggested that simple adjustments to commodities regulation could remedy what he views as an artificially accelerated price runup. “If we go back to the way the market was regulated on Dec. 20, 2000, 25% of the [oil] price would disappear,” he says.”

3.
“Greenberger says that given the heated political climate, he fears that misguided propositions that would distort the market—like banning speculators from commodities markets entirely—could win support. “The American consumer is so beaten up, [Congress] may have to resort to more drastic measures or the sky will fall.””

If the current Bush administration is not willing to do 1 and 2....
The _next_ Obama administration will do 3 and worse.

One day last week, gas prices in the New Haven CT area jumped 16-17 cents overnight. All we need is a few more jolts like this nationally, and we’re almost guaranteed to end up with a totally ‘rat controlled government in 2009. What do you think _they’ll_ do about “the markets”?

- John


17 posted on 06/09/2008 1:52:42 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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Drill now.

Develop oil shale now.

http://www.sltrib.com/utahpolitics/ci_9277208

Incentivize compressed natural gas.

http://www.newser.com/article/1A1-D909J1M80.html

44 posted on 06/09/2008 2:33:37 PM PDT by EverOnward
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Cutting off the nose to spite the face. If they want to classify the aforementioned banks as speculators, they’d better be prepared to give them the additional classification of “bankrupt”, since energy hedges are about the only things keeping the lights on at these institutions.

Startling stupidity on the part of the government... ONCE AGAIN.

Saudi Arabia has us by the cajones, plain and simple. If OPEC member nations sign on to the oil-in-the-ground-as-insurance-for-the-future philosophy, oil will continue to go up and up and up. If Saudi Arabia enacts this kind of policy, the pressure will be enormous from the constituents of other OPEC nations (i.e., their citizens) to follow suit. A policy of aggressively conserving production would almost guarantee military conflagration.

I’ve said this time and again for the last two years: the Middle East doesn’t need a nuclear weapon when it can simply strangle the oil market by leaving it in the ground. As light bulbs continue to go on in places like Saudi Arabia, you’re going to see a level of consternation that WILL push us to the brink of an all out World War for oil.

Ironically, this is all dovetailing with Iran’s interest in preventing it’s own economic demise, as it moves rapidly toward becoming a net IMPORTER of oil. If we push past the bluster and saber-rattling and look at the unfolding scenario with a cold eye, it becomes very obvious what Iran’s goals are:

Iran wants actual WMD so it can take possession of economic WMD (Saudi oil reserves) and call the shots with a nuclear gun at the head of Europe/Israel/Asia...They’re not interested in destroying Israel, per se. They’re interested in controlling Saudi Arabia by means of coercion or all-out conquest. Israel’s just the feint. Once Iran gets control of those fields, the rest of the world will have to either come to them hat-in-hand, or start a nuclear war.

But I digress.

The oil producers have discovered that they can essentially name the price for the oil they sell as Mexico and the North Sea interests very publicly broadcast the declining status of their fields. The world economy is on the brink and there are no alternatives on the horizon for manufacturing, transportation, etc. - all of which will shrivel and die without oil, and take their respective economies (and governments) with them. The only way it backfires is if a worldwide depression literally devolves us back into an agrarian society. Anything short of that, and oil is still indispensable and more precious than ever.

Thus, if oil is going to be the weapon of choice, the only discernible outcome would be an Oil War for control of Saudi Arabia. If Iran gets there before us, our standard of living is going to decrease quickly. If we get there before Iran, we could push China into a grab for the south Asian shipping lanes, not unlike Japan pre-WWII, as a hedge against the U.S. having complete hegemony with oil, and maybe even make a play for India. It’s just ugly.

Any way we cut it, we have to get the Saudis to abandon the notion that they are better off using reduced production as a hedge for their own future. At the same time we have to stop the Iranians from building nuclear weapons. And then we have to pray that Peak Oil is a sham. If it’s not, none of this matters. The price of oil will only go up until we find an alternative.

And now you know why we can’t leave Iraq.


52 posted on 06/09/2008 2:52:22 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Oil futures fell over $4/barrel today. It might be time to go short.

lol. In 34 days, oil will be free at this rate!

Hint : it isn't going to get cheaper. It is a monopoly good with no real competitor.
71 posted on 06/09/2008 10:25:20 PM PDT by mysterio
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