Posted on 05/29/2008 7:51:13 AM PDT by StopBHO
Which is it Barack? Are you a moron or a liar? Or both? On Monday you claimed your Uncle (not further identified) help liberate Auschwitz. Since it was the Soviets who liberated Auschwitz, that left people wondering who your communist uncle was? So your campaign scrambled to get out the word–No, he meant his great uncle and he meant Buchenwald rather than Auschwitz. There, that settled it.
So I have one question–how in the hell did your uncle get to Buchenwald. Was he in a row boat? Looks like Great Uncle Charlie was in the Navy. Service records for Charles Payne show
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10Nov42, Navy, 6293977 Registered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
UPDATE 3 Here’s what we know for sure:
1. No Charles W. Payne enlisted in or was drafted into the Army from Kansas according to extant Kansas records 1941-43.
2. Obama’s grandmother Payne family has not C.T. Payne. Her brother was Charles W. Payne.
3. The C.T. Payne in the 89th who is said by the Kitchell 89th website to have been at the liberation of Buchenwald is not listed joining Army from Kansas 1941-43.
4. Two C.W. Paynes are listed joining Navy in 1942 frm Kansas. Charles .W. Payne born Kansas City Jan 4 1924 and died 2000 is not Obama relative.
4. Charles W. Payne who joined Navy Reno County is the likely suspect.
Still working to get final confirmation. (Is it asking for too much to get a straight, accurate answer from the Obama campaign? I guess so.)
UPDATE II: Well, the initial claim that Charles T. Payne was in the Army may not be true. An Obama supporter is claiming that there is a Charles T. Payne who was in the Army. First problem, a review of records for Kansas shows no such person. Second, this unit was not part of any liberation of Buchenwald. Records indicate:
“Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf.” http://www.89infdivww2.org/
This should not be so complicated. Obama’s campaign simply needs to come clean. What was your Great Uncle’s name? When was he born and when did he die? Let’s start there.
So here we have Barack apparently inventing more bullshit family history. Charles T. Payne’s unit did not liberate Buchenwald. Ohrdruf was a work camp–not a pleasant place–but not a death camp. You know what Barack, I suspect you did not have a family member anywhere near a Nazi death camp. I believe you are making this up. Rather than tell the truth straight up you embellish. Why do I think this? Because you have a record of inventing false history. How about this?
Over at Talk Left we learn that you can’t even tell the truth about your Gramps:
In West Virginia a few weeks ago, Obama said his grandfather enlisted the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, which was December, 1941. [Charleston Gazette (West Virginia) April 8, 2008, Tuesday, available on Lexis.com]
“My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.”
Here is the WWII Kansas Veterans Index. His grandfather, Stanley A. Dunham, enlisted in the Army on June 18 1942, six months after Pearl Harbor. [Hat tip Baldilocks.)
We could start down the list of other falsehoods–e.g., your mom and dad met in Selma during a March. You keep doing this. Why?
Barack, how can someone who is supposedly so smart, can be so wrong about family history. These are not mistakes about inconsequential details. What else are you lying about?
That looks like a Newsweek cover photo treatment of Jack Webb.
Yeah, but he must have really been up there a long time if the family was still talking about it twenty or more years later.
ML/NJ
About 7 more states is what it’ll take Obama to have enough electoral votes to clinch the nomination before the convention.
The idiot - actually retarded - kings functioned as figureheads while their powerful ministers wielded the real power.
As President, Obama himself will wield the real power.
The operator of that site called someone who wrote for details about Obama’s great uncle a “chickenhawk” and rudely told him to go away.
How typically of an Obamessiahian.
I went to no quarter and found this interesting piece:
http://www.analyzethis.net/blog/2005/07/09/barack-obama-embellishes-his-resume/
“That looks like a Newsweek cover photo treatment of Jack Webb.”
You have just exposed your age and mine. :)
Ironic. Someone is called a chickenhawk for asking questions about a chicken$hit.
This is the same Bullsh*t that J. F. Kerry kept pulling with his “seared into my brain” about dogs being blown off of patrol boats and serving in Cambodia under Nixon.
All Democrats lie, it is just a matter of degrees. They have to so that they can keep believing this crap.
If you came home from WWII and found your family was a bunch of marxist-leninist kooks, it might have been the only place you could keep your sanity.
On the matter of the military service of Charlie Payne, the great-uncle of Barack Obama:
His full name is Charles Thomas Payne and he IS the uncle (the term “uncle” has in fact been used even for great-uncles in that family) who served in the Army in the 89th Infantry during WW II and suffered severe enough PTSD that, after coming back from the war, he isolated himself at home for some time.
Charles recovered, attended college and to this day is an active, mentally vital, 83 year-old resident of Chicago.
This information was obtained tonight from a phone conversation with members of the Payne family and is being posted to correct the mis-information that is swirling around the internet.
CORRECT info:
1. Charles’ middle initial is “T”, not “W”;
2. he did have what is now termed PTSD; and
3. he was so traumatized by what he encountered during the war, that he in fact did isolate himself at home for a lengthy period of time.
Charles is the second of FOUR Payne siblings:
1. Madelyn Lee
2. Charles Thomas
3. Margaret Arlene
4. Jon Virgil, (born 1937, which is why there is no listing for him in the 1930 Census of Augusta City, Butler County, Kansas. This census has been the only source offered for “Payne sibling info” oin all of the genealogical sites cited by those interested in this story.
I suspect that the listing for Charles E. Payne of Kansas is in fact the record for Charles Thomas Payne. I believe the scribe probably heard “E” instead of “T.” That type of error is frequent in census records and in military records where the info is provided orally:
Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)
http://www.kshs.org/genealogists/military/wwiiveteransresults.php?surname=payne&givenname=charles&county=&branch=&servicenumber=&year=&submit=SEARCH
I just wish Obama would lock himself in the attic for six months. Problem solved.
All of this begs the question.
Who was the man in the attic?
Or as Obama's Mom told him, "Why Barackie, that's just your 'uncle.' And we must not talk of him or your father might get very upset."
It gets worse. I have a few seasons of Dragnet on DVD. Many of the episodes show L.A. without a multi-story building for miles.
This is exactly why the beast won’t drop out. The more he talks the worse he sounds.
Don’t forget that Gore’s mama was singing him to sleep in 1975 to the song “Look for the union label...”.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website#comment-111557
So in the interest of finding out the facts about Mr. Payne, I sent Mr. Kitchell and son the following email:
—– Original Message —–
From: Steve Gilbert
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:14 AM
Subject: Any Record Of Charles W Payne?
Mr. Kitchell,
As you may have heard by now, Barack Obama has claimed that his great uncle Charlie Payne was a member of the 89th Div that liberated Buchenwald.
According to records his full name is either Charles W Payne or Charles T Payne (most likely the former), and he was born in 1924 — and he is still alive today.
He most likely was from Kansas at the time of enlistment.
Do you have any record of this gentleman?
Thank you,
Steve Gilbert
sweetness-light.com
PS - If you go to my website, you will see that I was probably the first to note the error in Mr. Obama’s first claims about his “uncle.”
Obama Claims His Uncle Liberated Auschwitz | Sweetness & Light
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-claims-his-uncle-liberated-auschwitz
And Mr. Kitchell’s helpful reply:
Please crawl back under the rock you came out from.
Good day
Raymond Kitchell, veteran 89th Inf Div
I have since been sent this followup email:
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:47 AM
To: Steve Gilbert
Subject: Re: Any Record Of Charles W Payne?
I don’t claim to represent anyone. You are the one who came to my son and I asking for information.
Please spend ample time chasing down the lies fed to you by chickenhawks Bush & Co. Like 90% of this administration, they don’t have the foggiest idea what we went through or what we saw at Ohrdruf.
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