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1 posted on 05/23/2008 10:12:34 AM PDT by LeGrande
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I’m shocked. SHOCKED I tell you.


2 posted on 05/23/2008 10:15:01 AM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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Isn’t Swinton an Obama delegate in Colorado?


4 posted on 05/23/2008 10:20:01 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (McCain could never convince me to vote for him. Only Hillary or Obama can!)
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Give it up, LeGrande! Everyone knows exactly what was gong on at the YFZ compound and also at Hildale and Colorado City. The cat is out of the bag, especially on the "Bleeding the Beast" angle, and the sect's days are numbered.

Just in case you or anyone else haven't read about the sordid details behind Polygamist communities and how they operate:

The Primer---Helping Victims of Domestic Violence and Child Abuse in Polygamous Communities

5 posted on 05/23/2008 10:20:19 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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the initial report was a lie, but that does not mean what the compound was doing was legal. They still were sick and should have had their kids removed whether they “officially” abused them or not.


6 posted on 05/23/2008 10:20:45 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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BTW, the liar is an obama supporter. This was posted on FR when this story (about her lying) first broke.


7 posted on 05/23/2008 10:21:01 AM PDT by enough_idiocy (Holding my nose in 2008. I disagree with McCain on lots of issue, but with the Democrats on more.)
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Ready for another round of “let’s defend FLDS?”


8 posted on 05/23/2008 10:22:23 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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Well, well, well... where’s all the smart asses who were making claims of “child rape” without any evidence, now?


9 posted on 05/23/2008 10:22:31 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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From the article:

So is a lie justified if it's told in service of a truth?

Not necessarily. Ironically, the false rape claim may end up hurting the children, since Sarah's story triggered the raid. If the abuse allegations are real - and Sarah isn't - the government will have a difficult time prosecuting anyone at the compound for child abuse. The false rape claim may allow real child abusers to escape punishment, leaving the children as the littlest victims of false reports.

Which is pretty much the same thing many of us have been saying...but we get accused of supporting these people when we say it.

11 posted on 05/23/2008 10:22:32 AM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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All they have to do, to prove child abuse is do a comprehensive mapping of DNA of these children and their underage mothers.

I am convinced such evidence would demonstrate multi-generational, systemitized incest which is illegal and abusive.

25 posted on 05/23/2008 10:33:26 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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How did Ms Swinton know about the FLDS anyway?


29 posted on 05/23/2008 10:37:24 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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The children did not have broken bones....


45 posted on 05/23/2008 10:53:25 AM PDT by lakey
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the government owns your children and can take them whenever they want. also, in the name of protecting their property, the government can kick down your doors anytime they want regardless of the worthless constitution. welcome to the united socialist states of america.


57 posted on 05/23/2008 11:16:25 AM PDT by Liberty 275
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Thank you for having the courage to post this article and thank you for taking it on the chin here on FR. You done us proud. The Constitution may still be alive after all.

I think it is very unlikely that a higher court will overturn this ruling because CPS blew it by raiding the ranch in the first place on a false report and by holding adult women captive, being falsely accused of being minor children - not to mention treating the entire community as one family instead of individual families and individuals.


68 posted on 05/23/2008 12:25:55 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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What bothers me the most is,the woman in charge of CPS is the same woman in charge at Waco and we know how that turned out.Watching SWAT and all encompass the compound made me suspect from the beginning.Hope I am wrong.


69 posted on 05/23/2008 12:28:38 PM PDT by xarmydog
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Pants on fire. I bet she got the idea from ‘Big Love’. Anyway, it did some good and exposed some scum.


76 posted on 05/23/2008 1:28:11 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State for business, Red State at heart..)
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Didn’t realize the oh-so intellectual governor of Texas was a Rudy supporter:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/10/texas_governor_rick_perry_endorses_rudy.php

Boy, can he sure pick ‘em!


104 posted on 05/24/2008 4:25:22 AM PDT by Bushwacker777
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this of course won’t matter to the lynchmob around here..what good are facts when you have “feelings”.. reminds me of the folks at DU. Didn’t know so many of them posted here in disguise..


107 posted on 05/24/2008 6:04:23 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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126 posted on 05/24/2008 7:53:32 AM PDT by DannyTN
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-ATTENTION-
Anyone viewing this web page
is now guilty of possesion of kiddy-porn.
Please turn yourselves in to your local authorities
before they have to send in their swat teams.


155 posted on 05/24/2008 8:51:28 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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Oh? Has this been determined to be a fact in a court of law through evidence presented to a jury?

Is not the lady who allegedly made this call to be presumed innocent until proved guilty?

People are convicting her based on her past history, which shouldn’t even be allowed in her trial on this particular case.

Why are people so willing to deny her due process when they are screaming about it when they think that the cultists due process is being violated?

The cult defenders are showing their hypocrisy in the double standard applied to people at random depending on which side of the debate they fall on.


236 posted on 05/24/2008 6:17:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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