Posted on 05/18/2008 3:21:49 PM PDT by jdege
Many of you have seen my map:
About a year ago, someone asked if he could put the map on the Concealed Carry page on Wikipedia. I said yes, and the image was added.
Since then, there have been several attempts by Wikipedia admins to have it pulled. First, it was yanked because it hadn't been posted with the permission of the creator - despite my having not only granted permission, but having explicitly added to the image a statement that I had done so.
The image was eventually restored, after I formally released the image under a Creative Commons license.
Now it's been pulled again, because it isn't properly sourced. Apparently the sources that I used in creating the image weren't appropriately non-partisan.
So I'm trying to collect sources of the type that they approve, so I can add them to the page. Unfortunately, a family crisis is preventing me from spending the sort of time I need to get this done in a reasonable amount of time.
What I have so far is here:http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php#proof
What I need are sources that indicate the date at which a state's laws became shall-issue. Best type of source would be a link on a state's official website, next best would be a contemporary report in the mainstream media - TV, radio, or newspaper, discussing the passage of the law.
If anyone can help me fill in the blanks, I'd really appreciate it.
Truly amazing! Thanks!
RKBA ping
What would be cool is to add the names of the then current president in the map.
And the party of the govner of each state.
(To show who was in power when the changes took place, etc)
Of course it might become political then...
I think the governors of Illinois and Wisconsin read from the same playbook.
IL and WI do not even issue CWPs on a conditional basis. NJ provides CWPs to retired police officers and politicians. Despite the rampant corruption in this state the “sale” of concealed weapons permits are not as common as they were in NY in my youth.
free dixie,sw
ODDLY enough, you CANNOT carry CONCEALED in any place that SELLS and/or SERVES alcoholic beverages, with a CCW. however, you can LAWFULLY carry OPENLY in such places!!! (every Saturday at 1230PM a bunch of us go to a Mexican-Salvadorian restaurant on Lee Hwy, that serves wine/beer & carry OPENLY. NOBODY has EVER complained!!!)
free dixie,sw
It appears as though the Wik-Kommies like to play Calvinball with gun rights, too.
LawrenceSolomon @ nextcity.com
OK, I’m confused. I see on the map that in 1986 Oklahoma was a “No issue” state. I moved to Oklahoma five years ago, so I’m not a native, but I know for a fact that people in rural Oklahoma where I am were buying, carrying and using guns in 1986, and had been for many generations! A gun is almost essential here for protection against wild dogs, snakes, etc....., and for use on farms and ranches. It seems as if the same must have been true for, at the very least, Texas. Can someone explain?
I think I just answered my own questions by (duh) reading more carefully! If I understand correctly, this relates to whether one can carry a concealed weapon on land other than their own. Perhaps if you were carrying a gun in a vehicle it had to be where it could be seen — like in a gun rack?
In Texas, it has been illegal to carry a handgun on your person since reconstruction, unless you were traveling. Where “traveling” was not defined in law.
In practice, if you were an upstanding white citizen, “traveling” meant you were off your own property. If you wer black, “traveling” meant you were out of state.
The law was written with the intention of being unequally enforced, and it was. Starting in the 1960s, it began to be enforced against whites as well as blacks.
Mass gun laws contained in M.G.L. Chapter 140:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/gl-140-toc.htm
The firearms section (including conditions for the
“may issue” rules) begins at section 121:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-121.htm
If I were a teacher at *any* level K through graduate school, Wiki references in any assignment would be an automtic “F”. But that’s because I’m a grump...
MI gun law:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(dbzflaioaxslyx55yvduct55))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-28-425b
link to michigan state police firearms page:
http://mi.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-—,00.html
in BOTH Texas & Oklahoma you MAY carry without license (either concealed or unconcealed) on ANY property that you OWN,RENT, LEASE, MANAGE or have CUSTODY of. this has been interpreted to mean that you could also carry BETWEEN those properties AND "when traveling"/hunting/fishing/etc.
free dixie,sw
BTTT
Thanks for the info! Does this mean that I can buy a handgun, then take it with me when I travel to Dallas from Tulsa, and put it in either my glovebox or on the front seat, without any sort of permit/license, etc.? How does this work when you travel from state to state? What about carrying it in my purse in hotels, restaurants, etc.? I am considering buying a handgun, and long trips in strange territory are where I feel I need it the most.
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